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Poll Question: Which of these largely ignored guitarists do you like best?
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3 [8.82%]
17 [50.00%]
2 [5.88%]
0 [0.00%]
4 [11.76%]
8 [23.53%]
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    Posted: August 01 2012 at 23:36
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Thank you for making my point so eloquently. Neo-prog was a term applied in the early 80s to the new wave of (post-punk) prog bands. It referred to their newness, not their style. Now they are no longer "new", so the label is redundant and inexact.
Not sure I agree. The French New Wave was a style of film making that emerged in the late 50s and early 60s. It was a historical period in film. New Wave music was made in the 80s. These are the names that stuck. To try to change it would be an attempt to alter history.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2012 at 20:10
Mick Rogers
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2012 at 15:33
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I would also chuck in some Chris Fry
 
^ btw he's in the white shirt in the Magenta video and its about 6 minutes in before he really struts his stuff. Seriously underated guitarist. (Magenta are great live.)
 
 

I  love Chris fry.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2012 at 12:58
OK, Let's have a listen then...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Point taken... Great stuff!!!   Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2012 at 07:56
If were talking about other guitar players I gotta mention Radim Hladik from Modry Efekt, one of the best guitarist from the 70's, no doubt about it. And hardly do I ever see his name gets mentioned, it's a pitty so many people doesn't know this magnificent band.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2012 at 06:25
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I would also chuck in some Chris Fry
 
 
 
Not to mention Gary Chandler of Jadis...
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2012 at 05:12
Johnny Fean is not only a master of both electric and acoustic  guitar, he also has one of the most superb singing voices of all time.

He is it. 

Johnny Fean...........you are a genius.

Everybody buy the Horslips back catalogue and enjoy yourself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2012 at 05:03
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I would also chuck in some Chris Fry
 
^ btw he's in the white shirt in the Magenta video and its about 6 minutes in before he really struts his stuff. Seriously underated guitarist. (Magenta are great live.)
 
 

I  love Chris fry.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2012 at 04:17
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

BJH in particular were considered to be amongst the inventors of the genre, alongside King Crimson, Traffic, The Moody Blues and others.

Not bad for a band that released their largely ignored psychpop debut sometime in june 1970. I thought by then prog was "invented" and had already moved far beyond what BJH were releasing years later. But maybe you know something I don't?
 
Yes, obviously I do. I saw them in Manchester in 1968 (well before they released their first album) and they were clearly progressive in the same way Floyd were about the same time. And they'd been going for at least a year by then. Their first album was somewhat different from what they'd been doing before that and was largely dictated by their label, but it was hardly psychopop with tracks like "When the World was Woken" or "Dark now my Sky", was it?

(no, not psychopop) Truthfully, I've only listened to their debut once and remember it as having an older feel than its release date. In '68 they probably experimented and stretched out when playing live just like any other band.  

Everything I've heard by them (including the two tracks you mention, found them on Youtube) has been mostly less progressive than what inessential groups such as Gracious or Cressida released in the same period. And  Once Again still sound like a combination of what the bigger names of UK-prog bands had already recorded before them.

Btw: Your poll and opening post is perfectly fine and If it wasn't for your attitude when replying to others, I would never have bothered commenting. I'll try and stay away from now on.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2012 at 01:47
I would also chuck in some Chris Fry
 
^ btw he's in the white shirt in the Magenta video and its about 6 minutes in before he really struts his stuff. Seriously underated guitarist. (Magenta are great live.)
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 20:04
Also worthy of a 'mention in dispatches' here as a seriously underrated guitarist is John Mitchell of It Bites, Arena, The Urbane, Kino, Frost*, and John Wetton Band.
 
These three clips are from John Wetton's 'Live In The Underworld' DVD from 2003, and show what a fine player Mr Mitchell actually is.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
HeartHeart Beautiful stuff!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 18:17
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

BJH in particular were considered to be amongst the inventors of the genre, alongside King Crimson, Traffic, The Moody Blues and others.

Not bad for a band that released their largely ignored psychpop debut sometime in june 1970. I thought by then prog was "invented" and had already moved far beyond what BJH were releasing years later. But maybe you know something I don't?
 
Yes, obviously I do. I saw them in Manchester in 1968 (well before they released their first album) and they were clearly progressive in the same way Floyd were about the same time. And they'd been going for at least a year by then. Their first album was somewhat different from what they'd been doing before that and was largely dictated by their label, but it was hardly psychopop with tracks like "When the World was Woken" or "Dark now my Sky", was it?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 17:39
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

BJH in particular were considered to be amongst the inventors of the genre, alongside King Crimson, Traffic, The Moody Blues and others.

Not bad for a band that released their largely ignored psychpop debut sometime in june 1970. I thought by then prog was "invented" and had already moved far beyond what BJH were releasing years later. But maybe you know something I don't?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 17:21
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

I know because I've been a prog fan since c1968. 
 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 15:42
Speaking of yet another ignored guitarist is Alan Morse of Spock's Beard. I've read a thread here where a member doesn't like his distortion tone but he's got A LOT of effects and not just one distortion sound. He is constantly changing his effects: chorus, flangers, phasers...you name it. Anyway, I think he's a very technically accomplished guitarist and knows what and when to play. I was listened to SB's Snow earlier and was amazed at how good he sounded. Sure some of his outbursts are wacky, but they add another dimension to SB's overall sound. Much like Alex Lifeson adds so much color to Rush's music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 15:31
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by sagichim sagichim wrote:

No contest for me, Mick Rogers is an incredible guitarist, I love every second in his playing with the Earth Band.
He is totally overlooked that's for sure.
 
That was the whole point of this poll!
 
There are too many great bands and musicians who never feature on here because this forum is obsessed with certain bands WAY beyond their real importance/historical popularity. In my local prog group MME are considered extremely important and Rogers is highly rated, as also are Strawbs and BJH.

So in you're local group these popular prog related rock bands are considered extremely important. I'm pleased that on PA the truly progressive rock bands are considered the most important. And that popuarity is of less relevance. 

But of course: although once quite popular, (much like Peter Frampton or Gilbert O' Sullivan) BJH's music has practically no relevance in the 00's. Quite the opposite of say... VdGG. 
 
"prog related rock bands"
 
Please do not talk such codswallop. All these guitarist's bands were amongst the archetypal progressive/progressive folk bands in the 70s (except of course IQ and MA, who are also undeniably prog) and I know because I've been a prog fan since c1968. All of them are just as progressive as VDGG and BJH in particular were considered to be amongst the inventors of the genre, alongside King Crimson, Traffic, The Moody Blues and others.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 15:20
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Voted for Johnny Fean. I saw him live and he was excellent.
 
I've seen him 10 times and he's ALWAYS been excellent!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 09:04
Voted for Johnny Fean. I saw him live and he was excellent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 08:59
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Going with Rogers here. He had such a big hand in developing that special groove the Earthband fuelled in the 70s.

Absolutely, Rogers shines ! If you have any doubts , check out his solo on Visionary Mountain , a classic sizzle of momentous feel. 
 
I actually voted for Mike Holmes, being a huge IQ fan, but all these guitarists are indeed criminally underrated.
 
Anyway, I thought I'd post this clip for a brief musical interlude in the discussion:
 
 
 
 
Wonderful!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 06:55
Obviously it is Dave Lambert as he hasn't received a vote yet!
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