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Poll Question: Which of these largely ignored guitarists do you like best?
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17 [50.00%]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2012 at 03:22
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by sagichim sagichim wrote:

No contest for me, Mick Rogers is an incredible guitarist, I love every second in his playing with the Earth Band.
He is totally overlooked that's for sure.
 
That was the whole point of this poll!
 
There are too many great bands and musicians who never feature on here because this forum is obsessed with certain bands WAY beyond their real importance/historical popularity. In my local prog group MME are considered extremely important and Rogers is highly rated, as also are Strawbs and BJH.

So in you're local group these popular prog related rock bands are considered extremely important. I'm pleased that on PA the truly progressive rock bands are considered the most important. And that popuarity is of less relevance. 

But of course: although once quite popular, (much like Peter Frampton or Gilbert O' Sullivan) BJH's music has practically no relevance in the 00's. Quite the opposite of say... VdGG. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 20:45
There are so many ignored guitarists that could be included on this list, but I think Mike Holmes has never been given his due. He's a fine player and one that is tasteful and always knows exactly what to play and what not to play. Some guitarists just don't know when to keep quiet. Holmes is also someone who doesn't worry about being in the limelight. I always thought Mike Holmes should do some solo recordings, but I guess he's just way too busy with IQ.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 15:25
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I must admit with regard to MMEB I focus on Vocals first and Keyboards second and never thought about the guitarist. I always thought it was a guy called 'Davey'LOL

anyway did Rogers play on the album version of Blinded By The Light? If so then he deserves more attention than he gets.


Actually no he's not, it's Dave Flett on guitars which he is pretty good indeed, at first I didn't notice a change in style only later on I noticed Rogers is not there anymore.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 15:03
I think John Lees is the most unique sounding of this lot. All others, good as they may be (and some are really excellent) all sound generic or emulate previous guitarrists.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 14:33
I must admit with regard to MMEB I focus on Vocals first and Keyboards second and never thought about the guitarist. I always thought it was a guy called 'Davey'LOL
anyway did Rogers play on the album version of Blinded By The Light? If so then he deserves more attention than he gets.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 11:24
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by sagichim sagichim wrote:

No contest for me, Mick Rogers is an incredible guitarist, I love every second in his playing with the Earth Band.
He is totally overlooked that's for sure.
 
That was the whole point of this poll!
 
There are too many great bands and musicians who never feature on here because this forum is obsessed with certain bands WAY beyond their real importance/historical popularity. In my local prog group MME are considered extremely important and Rogers is highly rated, as also are Strawbs and BJH.


I'm glad to hear that since I've talked about Rogers several times here but found no appreciation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 10:15
Originally posted by sagichim sagichim wrote:

No contest for me, Mick Rogers is an incredible guitarist, I love every second in his playing with the Earth Band.
He is totally overlooked that's for sure.
 
That was the whole point of this poll!
 
There are too many great bands and musicians who never feature on here because this forum is obsessed with certain bands WAY beyond their real importance/historical popularity. In my local prog group MME are considered extremely important and Rogers is highly rated, as also are Strawbs and BJH.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 07:07
No contest for me, Mick Rogers is an incredible guitarist, I love every second in his playing with the Earth Band.
He is totally overlooked that's for sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 04:53

All cool guitarists but my vote goes to Mike Holmes, seen them live 3 weeks ago and his playing is phenomenal...Smile

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 04:15
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Probably the IQ guy, but I've never really been terribly impressed by IQ, or most Neo Prog for that matter. Mike Holmes is still a great guitarist though, in his own right. Thumbs Up
 
I maintain that "Neo-prog" is not really a genre in its own right, despite it being listed as such on here. It's just a continuation of symphonic prog by bands that started after the first wave died. Stylistically, there's no difference.


While some bands definitely straddle the line between neo and symph, they are two distinctive styles.  Neo has a tendency to be more song-oriented, with more emphasis on melody than on complex time signatures and chord changes.  Neo also has less focus on extended soloing. 
 
 
Given that IQ play in all sorts of complex time signatures and use complex chord structures as well as soloing frequently and extensively, they surely fall into symphonic then.
 
Just because PA uses the term neo-prog to define a genre (and some other prog forums don't accept it) doesn't mean it's right. Martin Orford particularly hates the term; I think he knows what he's talking about.


I heard Marillion regularly referred to as a neo-prog band way back in 1984, long before there was a PA.  That is a long-accepted term applied to several bands which arose in the late 70's/early 80's and played a more accessible style of symphonic prog.  Many neo-prog musicians hate the term.  It doesn't mean that isn't what they're playing.  Wink
 
Thank you for making my point so eloquently. Neo-prog was a term applied in the early 80s to the new wave of (post-punk) prog bands. It referred to their newness, not their style. Now they are no longer "new", so the label is redundant and inexact.
 
It's like one of my old universities, St Andrews; they built a hall of residence in the early 90s and called it New Hall. 20 years on, they realise that it ain't new anymore so they're renaming it Agnes Forbes Blackadder Hall. We probably need to reassimilate the neo-prog bands into their correct stylistic categories (because even Marillion and IQ are quite different in many ways), though frankly I am not genre obsessed; I just hate obvious inexactitudes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 19:00
Holmes for me as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:43
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Probably the IQ guy, but I've never really been terribly impressed by IQ, or most Neo Prog for that matter. Mike Holmes is still a great guitarist though, in his own right. Thumbs Up
 
I maintain that "Neo-prog" is not really a genre in its own right, despite it being listed as such on here. It's just a continuation of symphonic prog by bands that started after the first wave died. Stylistically, there's no difference.


While some bands definitely straddle the line between neo and symph, they are two distinctive styles.  Neo has a tendency to be more song-oriented, with more emphasis on melody than on complex time signatures and chord changes.  Neo also has less focus on extended soloing. 
 
 
Given that IQ play in all sorts of complex time signatures and use complex chord structures as well as soloing frequently and extensively, they surely fall into symphonic then.
 
Just because PA uses the term neo-prog to define a genre (and some other prog forums don't accept it) doesn't mean it's right. Martin Orford particularly hates the term; I think he knows what he's talking about.


I heard Marillion regularly referred to as a neo-prog band way back in 1984, long before there was a PA.  That is a long-accepted term applied to several bands which arose in the late 70's/early 80's and played a more accessible style of symphonic prog.  Many neo-prog musicians hate the term.  It doesn't mean that isn't what they're playing.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:39
Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:


Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Going with Rogers here. He had such a big hand in developing that special groove the Earthband fuelled in the 70s.

Absolutely, Rogers shines ! If you have any doubts , check out his solo on Visionary Mountain , a classic sizzle of momentous feel. 



Nightingales n Bombers together with Solar Fire are my fave from the Earthband. Rogers actually has many lead parts on those albums now that I think of it, but I kind of like it when he sits back and goes blurry bluesy and then pops out time and again into one of his big solos. Fantastic ax man.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:16
As the originator of this poll, I find choosing damned hard myself!
 
Fean - Can tear out Celtic riffs and solos which you just HAVE to get up and dance to
Holmes - Technically brilliant; can tap with the best and makes all the hardest solos look easy
Josh - One of the most emotive guitarists of all and a superb soloist
Lambert - Very underrated
Lees - Excellent at both rhythm and lead work
Rogers - Has an astonishing "feel"
 
I might go with Holmes, but then again, it might just be Josh.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 18:06
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Probably the IQ guy, but I've never really been terribly impressed by IQ, or most Neo Prog for that matter. Mike Holmes is still a great guitarist though, in his own right. Thumbs Up
 
I maintain that "Neo-prog" is not really a genre in its own right, despite it being listed as such on here. It's just a continuation of symphonic prog by bands that started after the first wave died. Stylistically, there's no difference.


While some bands definitely straddle the line between neo and symph, they are two distinctive styles.  Neo has a tendency to be more song-oriented, with more emphasis on melody than on complex time signatures and chord changes.  Neo also has less focus on extended soloing. 
 
 
Given that IQ play in all sorts of complex time signatures and use complex chord structures as well as soloing frequently and extensively, they surely fall into symphonic then.
 
Just because PA uses the term neo-prog to define a genre (and some other prog forums don't accept it) doesn't mean it's right. Martin Orford particularly hates the term; I think he knows what he's talking about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 16:18
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Going with Rogers here. He had such a big hand in developing that special groove the Earthband fuelled in the 70s.

Absolutely, Rogers shines ! If you have any doubts , check out his solo on Visionary Mountain , a classic sizzle of momentous feel. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 15:53
I've been listening to Pendragon recently, and also the new Flower Kings.  Pendragon is no less symphonic than The Flower Kings.  (And Spock's Beard should probably be in Crossover.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 15:48
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Probably the IQ guy, but I've never really been terribly impressed by IQ, or most Neo Prog for that matter. Mike Holmes is still a great guitarist though, in his own right. Thumbs Up
 
I maintain that "Neo-prog" is not really a genre in its own right, despite it being listed as such on here. It's just a continuation of symphonic prog by bands that started after the first wave died. Stylistically, there's no difference.


While some bands definitely straddle the line between neo and symph, they are two distinctive styles.  Neo has a tendency to be more song-oriented, with more emphasis on melody than on complex time signatures and chord changes.  Neo also has less focus on extended soloing.  There also seemed to be an incorporation of 80's music into the mix.  Except for a few instrumental neo bands that I know of, vocals took a much more prominent role in neo.  And finally, neo didn't have quite the breadth that symph has, namely that neo seemed to take inspiration from Wind and Wuthering and left out pretty much all other prog influences, early on anyway.  BTW, it isn't just listed here as a separate subgenre.  It is a generally accepted subgenre of prog.  PA is just following the generally accepted here. 

This is a tough question from the OP.  Holmes and Lees are among my favorites and a few of the others aren't too shabby either.  This time I'm going to go with Lees, but on any other day it could have been Holmes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 15:40
Mike Holmes. His genius is even more apparent live, too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2012 at 15:37
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