Making room for the Human Equation

moshkito wrote: Dean wrote: Dunno - are there 8 Miles Davis albums in the Top 100?   HAHAHAHAHAHA ROTFL!!!   I would remove duplicates ... from the same band ... since you already know that I would prefer this not to be about the album, but the band. And some, then, would likely fall of the list anyway ...   I like the idea of considering KC progressive, and we do not have to specify the albums, or ELP or whomever, but the thought of a band that only had one album as progressive (Beach Boys for example!), and the rest not and the band mentioned is more scary than otherwise ... but sometimes, even the Beatles deserve to be mentioned ... but really shouldn't, other than the last album!   This ends up in a very subjective area that I'm pretty sure most of us would have to agree to disagree. But Miles in the list? ... probably makes sense, since folks like him did a lot more for music during his time, than most ... regardless of what we call it ... and hte European churches of music went with it ... pretty well, much more than folks did in America at the time.   Should we make Bitches Brew mandatory listening?

Miles Davis currently only has two albums in the top 100, and three in the top 250.  Kind of Blue is at 29, In a Silent Way is at 40, and Bitches Brew is at 143.

if you look at the JRF category alone top 250, then he has albums at number 2, 4, 19, 24, Bitches Brew is at 30,  42, 47, 61 (with Big Fun, a fave of mine), 70, 81, 101, and then at 104 is Get Up With it, which I almost always list as my favourite of his.

Bitches Brew  is not a favourite electric Miles album of mine, but I do think it's essential listening for explorers of JRF/ electric jazz, and so is In a Silent Way (which I prefer) which unlike BB does make the top 100 all genres list.  Considering it's historical importance for its category, at 143 (all genres) and number 30 for JRF alone, it's not ranked  that high at all.  No album is mandatory listening for all, of course.  I don't care for Close to the Edge and a lot of albums that rank better than Bitches Brew in PA, but I would still say that CttE is an important album for its category and Prog generally, of course.  It's more important to Prog itself, or/ and more synonymous with Prog, than Bitches Brew. (though I think  BB is the more important album overall).

Having Miles Davis in the list is fine, of course, but what seems ridiculous and often gets commented on is that Miles Davis' Kind of Blue is in the top 100 (the top rated Davis album) which is a modal jazz classic from 1959, but not electric Miles/ JRF.  Miles Davis was not included for that, of course.

For my tastes, I'd be happy to see get up With It and Big Fun in the top ten, but that's my tastes.  Kind of Blue is one that I would disqualify for the top 100 if I could.  I'm fine with the rating, but would like to see it out of that ranking.

Anyway, Dean doesn't like jazz, so not surprising he'd mention Davis.




Edited by Logan - October 03 2012 at 16:33

octopus-4 wrote: CCVP wrote: Chozal wrote: CCVP wrote: Seriously, an album, any album, takes at least months if not years to be propperly appreciated. I stand correctly. But us young folks want to listen to so many different things we don't take this time =( Dude, wtf, I'm about as old as you are.  You young folks have bandcamp plus legal and illegal downloads available. We old farts had only expensive vinyls and listening to them hundreds of times was also because buying a new album was not that easy in the 70s. I love Close to the Edge since when it was eleased, but I have bought it on vinyl only at the beginning of the 80s when I had my first job.

CCVP wrote: Chozal wrote: CCVP wrote: Seriously, an album, any album, takes at least months if not years to be propperly appreciated. I stand correctly. But us young folks want to listen to so many different things we don't take this time =( Dude, wtf, I'm about as old as you are.

QUEENSRŸCHE's OPERATION MINDCRIME. best concept album ever. Emotional too.

I don't know that album. Of course everyone has a favorite album which he thinks is not rated right both in a good and in a bad sense. Personally I'd like to see SEBTP out of the top 100 as in general I can't stand listening to its entirety in one shot, but Genesis fanboys may laike to see Abacab in the top 10. 

Chozal wrote: CCVP wrote: It's a grower, people. I know some can digest 2 hours of new music in the blink of a eye, but amazingly most can't and they still review it saying "ZOMG, DIS ALBOM EEZ 2 LOWNG". Meh, I still think highly about it I listened to the whole album a bunch of times over a month or two ... It probably deserves another chance, but there is so much music that I get excited about that I often forget to re-spin things like The Human Equation (when I do, it's mostly for classic albums that I did really overlook, like A Passion Play). I still have a problem with the pot-pourri aesthetics of Lucassen. He has done some absolutely brilliant tracks (Life on Mars, Amazing Flight, The Awareness, Isolation ...) but never done a absolutely brilliant album imo. I'm listening to some stuff from The Human Equation atm and I think the main problem I have with it is the lyrics : it's much too narrative for my taste =\ EDIT : Ok listening to it again, I should get back to it once more.

I think that also Actual Fantasy revisited deserves more attention. About THE Heather Findlay's voice is enough to make me love the album and thare's a lot more. Day sixteen for example.

Chozal wrote: Thanks for the quick answer :) As for Human Equation, I think it suffers from the Lucassen 2-disc disease : some great passages, but too much stuff overall. And the lyrics. =(

Edited by CCVP - September 27 2012 at 12:46

Thanks for the quick answer :)

As for Human Equation, I think it suffers from the Lucassen 2-disc disease : some great passages, but too much stuff overall.
And the lyrics. =(

It's not. The score is not the only parameter. The algorithm is based also on the total number of reviews and ratings otherwise an album with just one 5 stars rating would be top 1.