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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2012 at 06:05
I don't know that album. Of course everyone has a favorite album which he thinks is not rated right both in a good and in a bad sense. Personally I'd like to see SEBTP out of the top 100 as in general I can't stand listening to its entirety in one shot, but Genesis fanboys may laike to see Abacab in the top 10. 

The good is that the top 100 is based on a math algorithm, so everything in it is right apart the rating abuses which the admins are fighting against. 

I intended this thread as a "just for fun" mixed with an "appreciation thread" and your suggestion about Siegen Even is more than welcome. Any sample somewhere?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2012 at 06:06
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Seriously, an album, any album, takes at least months if not years to be propperly appreciated. I stand correctly.


But us young folks want to listen to so many different things we don't take this time =(
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QUEENSRŸCHE's OPERATION MINDCRIME. best concept album ever. Emotional too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2012 at 08:48
Originally posted by Chozal Chozal wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:


Seriously, an album, any album, takes at least months if not years to be propperly appreciated. I stand correctly.


But us young folks want to listen to so many different things we don't take this time =(

Dude, wtf, I'm about as old as you are.Confused 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2012 at 09:01
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Chozal Chozal wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:


Seriously, an album, any album, takes at least months if not years to be propperly appreciated. I stand correctly.


But us young folks want to listen to so many different things we don't take this time =(

Dude, wtf, I'm about as old as you are.Confused 
You young folks have bandcamp plus legal and illegal downloads available. We old farts had only expensive vinyls and listening to them hundreds of times was also because buying a new album was not that easy in the 70s.
I love Close to the Edge since when it was eleased, but I have bought it on vinyl only at the beginning of the 80s when I had my first job.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2012 at 11:15
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Dunno - are there 8 Miles Davis albums in the Top 100?
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA ROTFL!!!
 
I would remove duplicates ... from the same band ... since you already know that I would prefer this not to be about the album, but the band. And some, then, would likely fall of the list anyway ...
 
I like the idea of considering KC progressive, and we do not have to specify the albums, or ELP or whomever, but the thought of a band that only had one album as progressive (Beach Boys for example!), and the rest not and the band mentioned is more scary than otherwise ... but sometimes, even the Beatles deserve to be mentioned ... but really shouldn't, other than the last album!
 
This ends up in a very subjective area that I'm pretty sure most of us would have to agree to disagree. But Miles in the list? ... probably makes sense, since folks like him did a lot more for music during his time, than most ... regardless of what we call it ... and hte European churches of music went with it ... pretty well, much more than folks did in America at the time.
 
Should we make Bitches Brew mandatory listening?


Edited by moshkito - October 03 2012 at 11:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2012 at 11:53
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Chozal Chozal wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:


Seriously, an album, any album, takes at least months if not years to be propperly appreciated. I stand correctly.


But us young folks want to listen to so many different things we don't take this time =(

Dude, wtf, I'm about as old as you are.Confused 
You young folks have bandcamp plus legal and illegal downloads available. We old farts had only expensive vinyls and listening to them hundreds of times was also because buying a new album was not that easy in the 70s.
I love Close to the Edge since when it was eleased, but I have bought it on vinyl only at the beginning of the 80s when I had my first job.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2012 at 15:58
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:


Originally posted by Chozal Chozal wrote:


Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Seriously, an album, any album, takes at least months if not years to be propperly appreciated. I stand correctly.
But us young folks want to listen to so many different things we don't take this time =(

Dude, wtf, I'm about as old as you are.Confused 

You young folks have bandcamp plus legal and illegal downloads available. We old farts had only expensive vinyls and listening to them hundreds of times was also because buying a new album was not that easy in the 70s.
I love Close to the Edge since when it was eleased, but I have bought it on vinyl only at the beginning of the 80s when I had my first job.


I'm a young guy and I buy all my music in cd lossless audio format. It's the best for me plus I get to look at all the clever art work as well. It's worth it. Love my cd collection and THE HUMAN EQUATION was a great buy. Bought the 3 disc special edition. Cost me 28$ though. Ouch !!! But worth it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2012 at 16:29
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Dunno - are there 8 Miles Davis albums in the Top 100?
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA ROTFL!!!
 
I would remove duplicates ... from the same band ... since you already know that I would prefer this not to be about the album, but the band. And some, then, would likely fall of the list anyway ...
 
I like the idea of considering KC progressive, and we do not have to specify the albums, or ELP or whomever, but the thought of a band that only had one album as progressive (Beach Boys for example!), and the rest not and the band mentioned is more scary than otherwise ... but sometimes, even the Beatles deserve to be mentioned ... but really shouldn't, other than the last album!
 
This ends up in a very subjective area that I'm pretty sure most of us would have to agree to disagree. But Miles in the list? ... probably makes sense, since folks like him did a lot more for music during his time, than most ... regardless of what we call it ... and hte European churches of music went with it ... pretty well, much more than folks did in America at the time.
 
Should we make Bitches Brew mandatory listening?


Miles Davis currently only has two albums in the top 100, and three in the top 250.  Kind of Blue is at 29, In a Silent Way is at 40, and Bitches Brew is at 143.

if you look at the JRF category alone top 250, then he has albums at number 2, 4, 19, 24, Bitches Brew is at 30,  42, 47, 61 (with Big Fun, a fave of mine), 70, 81, 101, and then at 104 is Get Up With it, which I almost always list as my favourite of his.

Bitches Brew  is not a favourite electric Miles album of mine, but I do think it's essential listening for explorers of JRF/ electric jazz, and so is In a Silent Way (which I prefer) which unlike BB does make the top 100 all genres list.  Considering it's historical importance for its category, at 143 (all genres) and number 30 for JRF alone, it's not ranked  that high at all.  No album is mandatory listening for all, of course.  I don't care for Close to the Edge and a lot of albums that rank better than Bitches Brew in PA, but I would still say that CttE is an important album for its category and Prog generally, of course.  It's more important to Prog itself, or/ and more synonymous with Prog, than Bitches Brew. (though I think  BB is the more important album overall).

Having Miles Davis in the list is fine, of course, but what seems ridiculous and often gets commented on is that Miles Davis' Kind of Blue is in the top 100 (the top rated Davis album) which is a modal jazz classic from 1959, but not electric Miles/ JRF.  Miles Davis was not included for that, of course.

For my tastes, I'd be happy to see get up With It and Big Fun in the top ten, but that's my tastes.  Kind of Blue is one that I would disqualify for the top 100 if I could.  I'm fine with the rating, but would like to see it out of that ranking.

Anyway, Dean doesn't like jazz, so not surprising he'd mention Davis.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2012 at 07:00
Which ones I would remove? Easy: the albums by Magma, The Mars Volta, Anglagard, Porcupine Tree and King Crimson. That should create enough space for the Human Equation. However I would rather see Into the Electric Castle there instaed of the human eqaution.
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