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    Posted: March 01 2013 at 18:18
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Originally posted by Finnforest

Grace, bottom line I didn't buy the "proggy", intense sections at all...thought they felt totally contrived, proggy for the sake of it, whereas I think he is brilliant and a natural for crafting melodic pop with crossover or metal overtones.  But I'm sort on an outlier Wilson fan I suspect....I'd much rather hear FoaBP or Incident than Sky Move Sideways or most of his earlier, "cool" stuff.Just bought the concert DVD too!  Excited, but I doubt it will slay me like Anesthetize or Octane.   But I'll give it and Raven a fair shot, I promise you thatBig smile


I don't know much of the pre-Harrison Porcupine Tree, except for the live album "Coma Divine", and so far I got all the Harrison albums, however I haven't enjoyed any of them as much as "Coma Divine", I kind of find it more interesting and all. For that matter, I also liked "Grace for Drowning" more than any of those albums more, though for different reasons. As for the Lizard/Islands comparisons made with Grace for Drowning, I kind of agree too, though I like GfD more than those Crimson albums too.
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^ I have certainly had that happen too.  Loved something right out of the box and grew to despise it.  Yup, that's happened a number of times. 

Both phenomena are a big reason I try to wait quite a while before reviewing something. 


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Originally posted by Raccoon

Originally posted by Finnforest

Because some albums are growers and don't appeal to me initially, though later they do.  I try to give albums, especially well respected ones, time.   Many times I've come to appreciate or even love albums I loathed initially.  Had I written them off quickly I'd have missed out on some great stuff. 

This phenomenon is completely unfamiliar to me. In fact, with me it's often the other way around: I may give something the benefit of the doubt, extrapolating my expectations from the previous experience (or drifting along with wishful thinking), only to be a little disappointed afterwards, when the anticipation fails reality check. 

I feel the same way. I want to understand why some people love this album. King Crimson was like that. Some hated Lizard, some loved it immensely. I tried it over and over, and now it remains as my favorite KC album. Every album needs a re-re-re-re-listen.

Both the Lizard/Poseidon/Islands triad and the next one, LTIA/Starless/Red, are excellent - with different lineups, in different ways, for different moods, but both great.  




 




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Originally posted by Finnforest

Because some albums are growers and don't appeal to me initially, though later they do.  I try to give albums, especially well respected ones, time.   Many times I've come to appreciate or even love albums I loathed initially.  Had I written them off quickly I'd have missed out on some great stuff. 


I feel the same way. I want to understand why some people love this album. King Crimson was like that. Some hated Lizard, some loved it immensely. I tried it over and over, and now it remains as my favorite KC album. Every album needs a re-re-re-re-listen.
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Originally posted by Horizons

More accessible than Insurgentes? I mean if walls of sound turn you off that much. 

Far more accessible for a progressive fan, yes. I do love Insurgentes also, but I must admit, The Raven blows it out of the water.
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Because some albums are growers and don't appeal to me initially, though later they do.  I try to give albums, especially well respected ones, time.   Many times I've come to appreciate or even love albums I loathed initially.  Had I written them off quickly I'd have missed out on some great stuff. 




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I know I need to keep trying to like Grace.  Too many people I respect think its the cat's meow.  But God it just bores the sh*t outta me.....right now I'm giving it a hiatus to see if I can come back to it later.    The Incident is just such an example for me.  Took me quite a while to appreciate.  Now it's very high on my PT list. 

Why do you feel you need to keep trying to like Grace? In his 25-26 years of music-making Wilson has produced such a vast body of work that there is something for everybody to love, to hate and to be indifferent to. You might find it easier and more pleasant just to like what you like, and ignore what you don't. 
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More accessible than Insurgentes? I mean if walls of sound turn you off that much. 

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Originally posted by Finnforest

Originally posted by Einsetumadur

Originally posted by Finnforest

Grace, bottom line I didn't buy the "proggy", intense sections at all...thought they felt totally contrived, proggy for the sake of it, whereas I think he is brilliant and a natural for crafting melodic pop with crossover or metal overtones.


Exactly how I see it. But somehow the ambient stuff managed to grab me after quite a lot of listens. Suppose it could also be Dave Stewart's orchestra arrangements which brought me closer to the music.

"Sectarian", however, was pretty dull. I hope the new album has more rock moments than the title track offers.



I know I need to keep trying to like Grace.  Too many people I respect think its the cat's meow.  But God it just bores the sh*t outta me.....right now I'm giving it a hiatus to see if I can come back to it later.  Because I'm not one of these people who judge an album after 5 or 10 plays and throws up a bad review.  I realize some albums are long term growers.  The Incident is just such an example for me.  Took me quite a while to appreciate.  Now it's very high on my PT list. 

I find it to be nothing like Grace, so no worries there. By far the most interesting and most accessible Steven solo album. There's no diddling and daddling, it's straight up proggy bliss. Easily 2013 album of the year!!
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Originally posted by richardh

Probably been mentioned already but Wilson is using the same Mellotron that King Crimson used on ITCOTKC. There is nice little bit of footage on the DVD of him playing it.

Quite the treat. 

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Originally posted by Einsetumadur

Originally posted by Finnforest

Grace, bottom line I didn't buy the "proggy", intense sections at all...thought they felt totally contrived, proggy for the sake of it, whereas I think he is brilliant and a natural for crafting melodic pop with crossover or metal overtones.


Exactly how I see it. But somehow the ambient stuff managed to grab me after quite a lot of listens. Suppose it could also be Dave Stewart's orchestra arrangements which brought me closer to the music.

"Sectarian", however, was pretty dull. I hope the new album has more rock moments than the title track offers.



I know I need to keep trying to like Grace.  Too many people I respect think its the cat's meow.  But God it just bores the sh*t outta me.....right now I'm giving it a hiatus to see if I can come back to it later.  Because I'm not one of these people who judge an album after 5 or 10 plays and throws up a bad review.  I realize some albums are long term growers.  The Incident is just such an example for me.  Took me quite a while to appreciate.  Now it's very high on my PT list. 


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Originally posted by Finnforest

Looking forward to it.

Looking forward to seeing how I feel about these solo-band guys compared to PT.  I really love the PT band individually for the strengths they bring without ever getting pompous musically....I don't like to sit there and get hung up on "whoa these guys are technically brilliant players".......instead I like to be blown away by what they bring out of the track.....and I think the PT band members bring out SW perfectly.  Just like the Floyd members brought out Waters....whose stuff may not have worked nearly as well with other people....and thinking about his solo albums, they didn't.LOL


Jim, my impression from the live DVD is that they are all "team players".  They are ensemble players, and not "flash" players.  There are some extended solos, but they are all tasteful........no "w**king" in Wilson's solo band.  Keep in mind that there is a different guitarist on the DVD than is on the new album.



Hey Mike!   Just hoping it gets here by the weekend....I wanna rock!LOL


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Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine

The Incident was kinda meh.
 
This is his best album ever PT or not though IMO.
I certainly put it into my top five of SW projects along with No-Man " Together were strangers", "Storm Corrosion" and my fave PTs like "In Absentia".
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Originally posted by Finnforest

Grace, bottom line I didn't buy the "proggy", intense sections at all...thought they felt totally contrived, proggy for the sake of it, whereas I think he is brilliant and a natural for crafting melodic pop with crossover or metal overtones.


Exactly how I see it. But somehow the ambient stuff managed to grab me after quite a lot of listens. Suppose it could also be Dave Stewart's orchestra arrangements which brought me closer to the music.

"Sectarian", however, was pretty dull. I hope the new album has more rock moments than the title track offers.
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I totally disagree.

The rest of 'the Raven' was written at the very same time as Luminol (Steven just didn't played it at that time), and lyrically it deals with the same ghost story.
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Luminol
Live clip on you tube is very very good.

Luminol is one of the best jazz-prog fusion tracks of all time, in every respect. 

But chronologically it belongs to the live album GAYD (where it first appeared), and conceptually it doesn't seem to be an organic part of Raven either. Raven is good, though 
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Luminol
Live clip on you tube is very very good.
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I just picked up my copy today.  After one listen, I can't figure out if he's making or making fun of prog.  If that sort of thing bothered me I wouldn't love "Thick As A Brick".  So far I enjoy this immensely.
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