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Jim Garten
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Posted: December 11 2012 at 06:47 |
Why doesn't someone ask Belew? He played with both of them, so could give a definitive answer, thus negating the need for a poll
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Posted: December 11 2012 at 06:39 |
Both are innovative, but I think Fripp is a level above Bowie.
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The-time-is-now
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Posted: December 11 2012 at 06:33 |
Both.
On the one hand Fripp is well known for his prog innovations, on the second hand is Bowie contributed to music in a way that overtakes prog.
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 10 2012 at 20:42 |
crimhead wrote:
Fripp for me. I miss KC or him touring. I don't miss Bowie touring at all. | There's been 21st Century Schizoid band touring last decade, though I don't really know if they are still active. If they would come to play near me I would go see them (this was a band that included Mc Donald and Collins, plus other early King Crimson Personell, playing songs from that period). More recently, there's been Crimson project, or something like that, with Belew and and other more recent King Crimson members. Of course, none of this bands included Fripp himself.
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crimhead
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 20:13 |
Fripp for me. I miss KC or him touring. I don't miss Bowie touring at all.
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Gerinski
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 19:30 |
I love Lake's voice but overall I think that Bowie was even a better singer.
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moodyxadi
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 15:08 |
In pop music terms (where prog rock is just a tiny, eccentric component) is Bowie by thousands of miles. This answer is absent of bias, is objective. Comparinf the Beatles and Pink Floyd influence in pop music is a similar question with a similar answer: The Beatles were the major source of inspiration/challenge for musicians still today. Of course Pink Floyd's influence in pop music is higher than Fripp too. Only in a prog context Fripp's work is more influential than Bowie's.
I believe that Fripp's inovative leading role ended after his first couple of solo albums. Of course he produced great stuff after this but nothing to compare to his late 60's / 70's work. That band Discipline (wrongly named King Crimson) is more affected for what was happening in the early 80's than properly influencing other groups.
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 13:03 |
Mr. Fripp
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 12:46 |
Bowie may be a prince among men, but in our insular, grotesque world of prog it's the royal Uncle Bob who we all hail.
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 12:44 |
Gandalff wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
KC never had a singer as good as Bowie! | That's a matter of taste, I prefer every KC singer, except Haskell, over David Bowie. Adrian Belew has even similar timbre as Bowie, but his vocal range is on somewhat higher level. | For me, Bowie isn't such a great singer. He's good, and has his own identity, but I find Greg Lake miles ahead. And I like Adrian Belew at least a bit better than Bowie. However, I have never been much of a fan of Wetton's singing, and wasn't particularly impressed by the singers between Lake and Wetton (except for Jon Anderson... but he wasn't an official singer anyway).
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 11:42 |
Gerinski wrote:
KC never had a singer as good as Bowie! |
That's a matter of taste, I prefer every KC singer, except Haskell, over David Bowie. Adrian Belew has even similar timbre as Bowie, but his vocal range is on somewhat higher level.
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 11:00 |
My bad guys, I should have read the question properly. Through an innovation context, man this is a thinker for sure. I mean, both have done so much more popular music; Bowie geared toward a more commercial motivation, Fripp a more unconventional. I'd still say Fripp though - Frippertronics was a new approach and technique on how to play guitar, and his guitar style on the 80's KC records is so unique. Bowie was more of a pop culture icon with his personality and presentation - I guess more influential there.
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 10:48 |
Overall and all things considered, deifnetly Fripp. I love absolutely everything that man puts out whether that be KC, Solo, Co-Projects, etc. Sort of in the same vein as Toby Driver for me (Kayo Dot, maudlin Of The Well), and vice versa. With Bowie, Low and Heroes are the only albums I listen causally by him. Great albums, but everything else comes out sounding sort of bland to me.
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Gerinski
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 03:41 |
Love both so I'l vote for the music they made together. Fripp's guitar in Teenage Wildlife (Scary Monsters) is terrific, and KC never had a singer as good as Bowie!
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resurrection
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Posted: December 09 2012 at 02:37 |
Robert Fripp is a great guitarist, but Bowie is the more important figure in world music.
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Posted: December 08 2012 at 23:02 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Then that does not make it Bowie's influence. That makes it Eno's influence. |
^ Hmph. I think you might be right
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: December 08 2012 at 22:49 |
^ Then that does not make it Bowie's influence. That makes it Eno's influence.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 08 2012 at 22:50
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jude111
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Posted: December 08 2012 at 22:46 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ I'm not sold. What about ELO and PF? And I don't hear any Bowie influence in Talking Heads' late 70's music. |
The Bowie influence is *huge* in Talking Heads. That might be because Eno's presence was huge both in Bowie's famed Berlin trilogy (LOW, HEROES, LODGER) and as producer and unofficial member of Talking Heads.
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jude111
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Posted: December 08 2012 at 22:42 |
For me, both made their best music in the 1970s, and three reigned supreme for that decade: Floyd, Eno and Bowie. So... Bowie obviously :-)
By the way, do we all know that Fripp guested on some of Eno's seminal albums? Fripp played on 3 tracks on Eno's debut HERE COME THE WARM JETS, another three tracks on ANOTHER GREEN WORLD, and a track on MUSIC FOR FILMS (the classic "Slow Water")... Plus other assorted prog alumni like Robert Wyatt, Phil Collins and Phil Manzanera...
Edited by jude111 - December 08 2012 at 22:55
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: December 08 2012 at 20:04 |
^ Just reminding you that we are judging in terms of innovation and importance to art and prog rock (... and overall).
Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 08 2012 at 20:06
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