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Posted: December 14 2012 at 00:26
No, at least, not in my opinion. His work on "Fracture" and the the first side of the Brian Eno collab Evening Star are enough to put him in my list of great guitarists.
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Posted: December 14 2012 at 00:45
He is an excellent guitar player and overall a great musician. You can see how he was evolving and progressing through the years and always trying to come up with something new, musically and as a guitar player.
Overrated? Outside the prog circle? Definitely underrated or better to say unknown. Inside the prog circle, he is where he should be. Rated just fine.
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Posted: December 15 2012 at 13:40
... I'll answer those for you since I study this sh*t. In The Court is, Lizard is, and Red is not. ...
Like every artist, there are good things and bad things ... everyone nowadays accepts Picasso, as a master and an artist, but every professor out there would say that the blue and the rose periods are crap work that most kids can do when they are learning to paint! ... Likewise, we can say that this or that of Robert's work is really good, and some other parts of it ... rather forgettable.
All in all, when you look at the historty of his work, he is not over-rated, despite some quotes and comments that make his thinking sound boring at times, but then, he does what he does and it seems that it is just different than what he thinks.
My question, is, if you think that someone is over-rated or not, do you also accept that your question is over-rated and out of line, and even silly?
From our perspective in this board, "over rated" would be a band that is getting accolades and has only a bunch of songs to show for their work, or what a professor would consider ... sub-par material ... to show for its work ... thus, I tend to look at a person as an artist, rather than anything else.
In the case of Robert's, it would be grossly sad and unfair, to not give him the credit he deserves, when a lot of the things he did, were done because of how he felt, however difficult it might be to hide his ideas and opinions, his guitar ALWAYS spoke more than his words or voice! And to me, that is where the artistry lies ... and a place in his mind that he does not want anyone else to be in other than Eno or a few folks that he trusts and works with. A place, that many of us does not like, or accept very much ... because it doesn't sell, or is not listed in our board as a "hit" or a top dog for bs comments!
If the Top 100 was an artist list, instead of something else, Robert would be there in the top ten, even separated from King Crimson.
You wish, you had a life that rich, and could create that much music and work ... and let it all go to waste. Sure you would!
in the end, the scales have a way of coming around ... someone like him will be remembered for a long time ... a lot more than our comments and idiocies!
Edited by moshkito - December 17 2012 at 10:42
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Posted: December 16 2012 at 03:28
No
Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. Oscar Wilde, De Profundis, 1905
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Posted: December 16 2012 at 09:04
He is rather underestimated.
Is he as praised as Santana, Jimi Hendrix or Joe Satriani in the media ? No, but he has a style of his own and influenced a hord of artists, not only in prog circles.
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Posted: December 16 2012 at 10:08
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
In what way is Lizard a copy of Court? Lizard is unique.
I think he means Poseidon which does share a lots of themes with Court though is still an excellent album. Lizard is a unique album in KC's catalog.
I wonder sometimes if people who make unorthodox comments/comparisons have had a chance to listen to the albums in question - listen as in "recently, fully and without vacuum cleaner (or chainsaw) on". This has happened to myself a few times - had a listen once or twice (or long ago), don't even remember the title, the year or the album art, easy to confuse with something else.
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Posted: December 17 2012 at 08:06
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ What if we focus just on the prog realm, is he really "overrated" (or whatever) within its bounds? But, I guess, you've already answered that question.
Well, making the (big) assumption that "overrated" refers to how much praise he gets in prog circles, I'd say, no he's not. He gets the prise he deserves, while still leaving a lot of proggers scratching their heads because they don't "get it". It all comes down to personal feelings, in the end. As I said before, there is no question of his skill and innovation on the guitar. Whether or not one enjoys that or feels it has contributed anything to the "advancement" of prog as a genre is totally subjective.
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