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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ This is just an opinion of one stupid-ass Russian who gave King Crimson 2 points out of 5 for the emotional resonance ... Faust 1 out of 5 for the resonance as well. I got some things to hang on that motherf$%ker.

CTTE is done in a very creative, crazy, free fashion. Red, on the other hand, is more focused on songwriting, not as ambitious, and it's got that brand new kind of slick production. One of the Crims' best efforts due to a greater focus on the melody.

That said, it's a tie, as far as "which album is the best of these two" goes.


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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ This is just an opinion of one stupid-ass Russian who gave King Crimson 2 points out of 5 for the emotional resonance ... Faust 1 out of 5 for the resonance as well. I got some things to hang on that motherf$%ker.

CTTE is done in a very creative, crazy, free fashion. Red, on the other hand, is more focused on songwriting, not as ambitious, and it's got that brand new kind of slick production. One of the Crims' best efforts due to a greater focus on the melody.

That said, it's a tie, as far as "which album is the best of these two" goes.

Calm down, many people have their opinion and you don't seem to respect it, there cannot be a double standard
I'm calm ... kind of. I just find that guy to be really biased in his judgments, and that can tick me off a little. I respect opinions, not the people. Wink ... people who trample other people's opinions. I remember that guy going hard on Nick Drake's Pink Moon to some unnecessary levels.

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CTTE is note perfect but to me it almost completely lacks any human warmth, melancholy, pain or anger, emotions that the Red album brings out well.  CTTE is also a bit too pretty and conservative in its approach for me to rate it over Red (not that I dislike it, it's a great album too).  
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Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

When I hear Close to the edge - I get up
When I hear Red - I get down

Exactly, and I like to get up more.Cool
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Red by a wide margin.
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Red has its flaws, as most KC albums do. CTTE knows no flaws.


"one might even argue that not until Larks' Tongues In Aspic did Fripp find the stable formula for the band that would finally set it in a definite and unique niche of its own"

As far as consistent sound, yes I agree; the Bruford/Wetton era was the first to have more than one album with a core line-up. But even the best KC albums always have something where I could say, "If it wasn't for _____, this album would be a perfect masterpiece." "The Power To Believe" might be their only album that I would call it a masterpiece, and flawless, now that I think about it.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Red has its flaws, as most KC albums do. CTTE knows no flaws.


"one might even argue that not until Larks' Tongues In Aspic did Fripp find the stable formula for the band that would finally set it in a definite and unique niche of its own"

As far as consistent sound, yes I agree; the Bruford/Wetton era was the first to have more than one album with a core line-up. But even the best KC albums always have something where I could say, "If it wasn't for _____, this album would be a perfect masterpiece." "The Power To Believe" might be their only album that I would call it a masterpiece, and flawless, now that I think about it.


Such a brave comment and/or statement. I just want people to double think their judgements
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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Red has its flaws, as most KC albums do. CTTE knows no flaws.


"one might even argue that not until Larks' Tongues In Aspic did Fripp find the stable formula for the band that would finally set it in a definite and unique niche of its own"

As far as consistent sound, yes I agree; the Bruford/Wetton era was the first to have more than one album with a core line-up. But even the best KC albums always have something where I could say, "If it wasn't for _____, this album would be a perfect masterpiece." "The Power To Believe" might be their only album that I would call it a masterpiece, and flawless, now that I think about it.


Such a brave comment and/or statement. I just want people to double think their judgements


I agree with  you wholeheartedly. KC never did an album which outshone all the other ones - every disc of the Crimsonian corpus seems to contain the different pieces of their greatness, but you need more than one to fully grasp it.
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Originally posted by Chozal Chozal wrote:

Although I prefer KC's sound especially around the Red era, CTTE has not a single weak moment, one of the very few albums that shines through every moment.

Red has Providence.


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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

CTTE knows no flaws.



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Love them both in their own special ways.  :)  But over the years I favor Red.  Big smile
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Points: 6396 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 19:57
Both are great albums, but Yes' edges out Red for me.
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I'll vote and my vote goes to Close To The Edge what are KC trying to do in Providence, I don't get it not another instrumental experiment,jeeshShockedShocked

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Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


COMPOSITION>IMPROVISATION


you don't listen to much Grateful Dead, do you?
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Nobody listens to the Grateful Dead.
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I feel like a weirdo.  Am I the only person in the world who thinks "Providence" is brilliant?
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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 20:22
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

I'll vote and my vote goes to Close To The Edge what are KC trying to do in Providence, I don't get it not another instrumental experiment,jeeshShockedShocked

COMPOSITION>IMPROVISATION

Yeah, and Kenny G is better than Sonny Rollins.   Besides, Providence is not all there's to Red, not nearly.  
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Points: 12609 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2012 at 20:23
Originally posted by mister nobody mister nobody wrote:


Originally posted by Chozal Chozal wrote:

Although I prefer KC's sound especially around the Red era, CTTE has not a single weak moment, one of the very few albums that shines through every moment.Red has Providence.


I like Providence better than any track on Close to the Edge. And I love Close to the Edge (not as the others do, but I appreciate it).


I dislike Providence more than anything on either album. And the only song from Red I like more than the song I like the least from CttE is Starless (though I would be hard pressed to say which I like best, CttE, And You And I, or Starless itself). However, in the end I vote CttE, indeed it's great from beginning to end.
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