Court or Wake? King or Posieden? |
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Snow Dog
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Topic: Court or Wake? King or Posieden? Posted: February 17 2013 at 03:49 |
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Let us see how many actually prefer the sequel to the seminal debut.
I implore everyone. Please do not embed video in this thread. Edited by Snow Dog - February 17 2013 at 05:08 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 03:59 | |
1 nil......
ohhh...2 nil! 4-1! And the fans are on their feet! 4-2 and is this the start of a comeback? 5-2...King are piling on the pressure. 5-3, the lower division team sure are gritty and determined.
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Sumdeus
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:01 | |
as i said in the other thread, no debate for me. the debut is one of my favorite albums ever and i think it is one of the best albums ever made. Wake is good but doesn't come close for me.
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Hercules
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:01 | |
In the Court may have lost its sparkle, but In The Wake is like a wake - not terribly enjoyable at all.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:02 | |
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richardh
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:11 | |
Oddly I play Wake more than Court. Its a lot heavier. The debut is almost too pretty like some sumptious work of art to be admired from a distance only.
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Eria Tarka
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:12 | |
I'll vote for the Wake, I really just love the title track, Cat Food, Pictures of a City, Cadence. The only real stinker is Devil's Triangle. I still like In the Court though, it's maybe my 7th favorite KC record.
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:26 | |
The first sides invite direct comparisons, and Court always comes out on top. "Pictures of a City" is too comfortable in its lumbering groove to achieve the sheer trauma of "21st Century Schizoid Man", not to mention the lyrics are atrocious ("spice ice dance chance" - is this a nursery rhyme or what?). "In the Wake of Poseidon" comes close to matching the simple elegance of "Epitaph", but what always irks me is how each verse ends rather unresolved. A song like this doesn't benefit from subverting the listener's expectations, harmony-wise. Plus, it lacks a real chorus. "Cadence and Cascade" is pretty good, but the melody is simply not as memorable as "I Talk to the Wind".
The second sides are different, but still Court wins out. "The Devil's Triangle" and "Moonchild" are just about equally pointless, content-less and dull, but at least the latter has the first two minutes going for it. And while "Cat Food" is kind of amusing, it's obviously no match to Court's title track. The "Peace" tracks are okay, but hardly a substantial part of the album. So in other words, Court wins on every count. |
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dr prog
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:35 | |
Wake pretty easily
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HackettFan
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:49 | |
It's been too long since I've heard In the Wake of Poseidon. I only have it on record.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:04 | |
"The Devil's Triangle" actually is based on "Mars, the Bringer of War" from the "Planet Suite" by Gustav Holst. It is actually a real shame King Crimson gave no credits whatever to him on that album, especially when you think of how fussy Robert Fripp is with having his own work used against his will. Just compare; you can find both on YouTube.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:08 | |
Please, no video in my thread. We all know the songs
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BaldFriede
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:10 | |
I sincerely doubt everyone knows the "Planet Suite" by Gustav Holst. There are of course people who do, but everyone? No. But since this is your post I will oblige to your wish.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:16 | |
^I appreciate you removing the video. You could have the links to the video here of course.
Here is Holst And here is the evils Triangle.. Edited by Snow Dog - February 17 2013 at 05:20 |
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someone_else
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:52 | |
I go with the minority this time. The albums are quite similar in a way and though In the Wake of Poseidon may be of less historical importance than its illustrious predecessor, I think it's an improvement. Moreover, it has no Moonchild on it.
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Formentera Lady
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:56 | |
ITCOTCK. The sequel only repeats the ideas that were already present in the debut (and in Holst's suite, of course).
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Sagichim
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 06:35 | |
Ok we all know both are similar. For me the debut as a whole is better and more focused and it has that particular sound that makes it even more special. A classic album with even a classic cover.
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Hercules
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 06:41 | |
I confess, if I want to hear Holst's magnificent work reinterpreted, I'd far sooner listen to Solar Fire by Mannfred Mann's Earthband than anything King Crimson have tried.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 06:43 | |
I like ELPowells version too.
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Prog Sothoth
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Posted: February 17 2013 at 07:01 | |
I always liked "The Devil's Triangle", and despite the recent revelations (my knowledge of Holst and other classic composers is minimal at best), I still find it cool sounding. "Cat Food" remains my favorite track by far of ITWOP, but it's still not as quite at the level of the title track, 21CSM and "Epitaph" off the debut, so the debut wins out.
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