Jack O' The Clock (U.S.) for RIO/Avant

DamoXt7942 wrote: Not so avant-prog as Thinguma*jigSaw. Not sure if they can be fit for Prog Folk.

Cool down and wait for Prog Folk Team's decision, wowie. 

well, i love revolution and democracy, so YES im not accepting a NO that simple. and i think thats a good thing.
Specially if there is a heavy talk about the categorization on PA and of what is prog in general.
i dont try to decide or dictate sth, its just a discussion.
And im always happy if someone does not ignore the whishes (even if they seem stupid in the eyes of others) of the people. So minimum thanks for talking ...

So imho its hard to define classic prog and i would not say that you cant find any elemnts of it in Jack O.
The other question is, how much classic prog rock must be in there?
In case of PA i think too much.
And another radical question would be, can PROG be classic??

i totally accept that this is a private and mostly undemocratic db, so in the end its the choice of the admins and co.
Its just so sad that prog is limiting itself, or gets limited by some critics.
Even if the bands calling themselves prog rock.

their tags on reverbnations are clear
Folk / Progressive Rock / Experimental

they tag themselves on bandcamp with
avant rock experimental avant-folk avant-prog chamber folk chamber pop experimental prog rock in opposition singer-songwriter Oakland

Babyblaue sites categorize them as
Folk; RetroProg; RIO / Avant; Worldmusic / Ethno

its on here
http://newprogreleases.blogspot.de/2013/03/jack-o-clock-all-my-friends.html

and here
http://progulator.com/reviews/jack-othe-clock-all-my-friends/


so i dont want to be rude too, but sometimes you just have to fight for your right, chances and new possibilitys!
For progress!!!
this (ALL MY FRIENDS) is so so prog!
and if mostly everybody believes it, its a question worth why the system isnt able to integrate them at the moment!?

of course you can argue that there is more X then rock. So maybe we could classify them as a progressive folk outfit. but then there is again symphonic elements, electronic elements and rock elements. So this is also not fitting.
you can add them to RIO/avant without problems, but i think that is also not the whole thing of Jack O.
Therefor they have to much folk, symphonic and rock structures in there.
And sorry, what do i get when i take rock, folk, symphonic and experimental stuff together?
i thought thats kind of classic rock?

sorry for the sarcasm, but it seems so obvious for me.

anyway, for the systems stability and for the fortune/misfortune of the band, we can wait until the next release.
but i think we, the usual folks, should be more open, flexible and progressive, this really doesnt hurt.
Except the rock maybe ;)

I'll agree some of the stuff is more chambery experimental than folk, but most has some sort of lineage to folk, and they certainly seem to be attracting attention in prog circles and being compared to mostly prog acts.  I'm not clear on why they should need to have been around since the 60s to be prog folk.  We folkies are an old bunch but we can still get in board with new stuff.  So I voted yes and am waiting for Clem's input.

Quite.

The only way I could see this included in prog folk is if they were an act releasing albums back at the tail-end of the 60s, and if they'd had a serious impact on the scene and what was to come. They didn't though, because they're a new band. I agree entirely with Chris on this one. I don't hear any prog or rock for that matter. They might be a folk/chamber outfit with some experimental bits thrown in there, but I don't think they belong on this site. 

Edited by Guldbamsen - September 19 2013 at 12:07

Maybe the best thing is if people would actually take no for an answer.   

I've listened again to All My Friends and while this group is hard to classify that doesn't make them Eclectic Prog Rock. I really can't hear any classic prog rock in their music. Imo they are some kind of experimental / avant-chamber / acoustic / quirky folk. The only genres I see them in are Avant Prog or Folk so the best I can do is ask the PF Team to reconsider them.   

this is just normal prog.
as this category isnt available in PROG ARCHIVES, i would say its ECLECTIC.

i also had a chat with Daimon Waitkus and he said they are getting more rock into it at the moment.

This is a bit frustrating, they should be here but nobody know where