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Poll Question: What's your opinion on robots?
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    Posted: June 04 2013 at 14:47
^ Or even worse ... The Cube!

Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:


The ultimate capitalist fantasy: the lone individual, roots severed from nature. The extended family reduced to the nuclear family, reduced finally to the atomized individual. No past, no history, free roaming, floating in space.

In short: the robot.
So, we, the parents of the machinery (sorry, you said "no history") the machines are bound to meaningless existence until something or someone defines that meaning for them. Sweet. Ermm


Edited by Dayvenkirq - June 04 2013 at 14:50
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Are you saying that they are going to destroy nature?

Nothing to preserve. Are some robots going to form "Save the Wetlands" NGOs? They won't care about inferior carbon-based lifeforms. The planet will be transformed into their likeness: a vast machine factory planet.

Maybe?... Would make a cool film.... (Or... wasn't that kind of the plot of "The Matrix"... Shocked Or the Borgs in Star Trek... Hmmm, I thought I had an original idea, but 'guess not, lol...)


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jude111 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2013 at 14:41

The ultimate capitalist fantasy: the lone individual, roots severed from nature. The extended family reduced to the nuclear family, reduced finally to the atomized individual. No past, no history, free roaming, floating in space.

In short: the robot.
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^ Are you saying that they are going to destroy nature?
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We need robots... But they don't need us.

Nor do they need clean air, clean waters, pristine nature...

They don't need to eat, nor sleep... They don't need houses. They won't marry or have children... So they won't be slave wage earners. A world with self-aware robots would indeed be terrifying.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jude111 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2013 at 14:31
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

They're just dumb machines.
 
I'm more scared of the acne-pocked Billy Nomates's who write the software, well, not them specifically, but the bug-ridden C++ code they produce. If megaliths the size of Microsoft, Apple and Google can't write error-free, crash-proof, virally-immune code what chance is there that a spotty oik working in a university basement can adequately program software into an electric tooth brush that won't violate Azimov's Three Laws of Robotics the moment your back is turned??

CryLOL Killer self-aware toothbrushes! "I brush, therefore I am." Great, another thing I've got to worry about! ShockedLOL
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^ exactly Thumbs Up


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I welcome them. Robotics will totally revolutionize all industries but especially those involving repeatable manual labor. Once we have 50% unemployment, we'll have to rethink how humans live and how society works. I think it's exciting and nerve-wracking, but we're not stupid enough to wither away and die or let petty past philosophies stop us from moving on. We'll find new things to struggle over, but I don't think money in itself will be one of them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2013 at 13:54
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Sure, that was the utopian dream! the problem is that this is not how it works, robots and automatization in general did not just release humans from the heavy work and improved their life by doing so. Those who 'own' the 'robots' (generalise as 'machines') benefit from their higher efficiency and lack of social issues for performing the work but those who used to perform the work before do not get any clear benefit from the introduction of those machines. Sure, the 'population' or 'we the consumers' benefit from their ability to produce goods and services at lower cost than humans do, so in paper it feels like this is a positive thing, but is it so? do we really prefer a world where a yoghurt cost us 1.00 euro and 25% of the population is unemployed, or a world where a yoghurt cost 1.20 euro and we all have a job? (I'm obviously exaggerating and over-simplifying).
If you think that machines allow humans to work less time you are wrong for the most cases, at least that is what experience tells us so far. Less physically heavily perhaps, but less time or with less stress, no. Of course the target might be that by employing machines to do the heaviest part of the work, humans can spend their time in other (presumably more noble) tasks, but given the nature of economics it is very hard to imagine that this will ever be the case.

Utopia is always just over the next hill.
 
(As I hinted at before) Since the birth of the Industrial Revolution we have been slaves to the machine, just as Jethro Tull's seed drill enslaved us to the land rather than liberated us from it. Automation never released us from drudgery, it shackled us to the working day, we must work while the machines work and those machines never sleep - the automated production line did not result in a shorter working day, it created the shift system - we have a longer working day, a longer working week and a longer working year than our medieval ancestors - the reward for that is payment and that is the only incentive there is. (re-read what I posted before - this is the gist of what I said - the working day is a disease we are inflicted with).
 
Fully autonomous robots that can truly replace a human (and not the automated machines that we currently call "robots") will liberate us, though the socio-economic revolution that will result from that will not be pretty nor easily achieved - every ideology, every sociology and every philosophy we currently hold so dear will resist this change, probably more violently than any 19th century Luddite or 16th century Saboteur.
 
One thing we cannot halt is the rise of the machines, how we manage that change is going to be the toughest challenge modern civilisation has ever faced .Empires will fall, nations will crumble, civilisation as we know it will change beyond all recognition, even beyond the wildest fantasies of any SF author.
 
 


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I want to disect one and re-arrange its servo motor parts.  Then start a Robot service company.

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I for one welcome our robot overlords.
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i could not live in a realiry like the utopian world represented in Demolitian Man , I dont want to knit the rest of my life.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2013 at 10:48
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

The world is already full of robots and they are taking away the jobs of so many people, only for the benefit of their 'employers' Confused
The company I work for has been developing a very advanced robot for many years and we commonly joke that it will eventually use it to substitute many of us without receiving complaints, without getting ill and without having to deal with Unions. The problem is that we wonder if we are really joking or predicting the future Shocked
Why is this a problem? Who wants to work every day for the whole of their life anyway? This expectation that we should work ourselves to death is a disease that we've been suffering from since William Lee invented the Stocking Frame in 1563 - the people who ran Blake's dark satanic mills are still with us - forcing us to go to work at stupid o'clock every day and remain there for the next 8-10 hours trudging away at meaningless and unfulfilling tasks - paying us just enough money to ensure we turn up again tomorrow. Whatever the meaning of life is, (and you all know my opinion on philosophers), that certainly isn't it.
 
If the ultimate future reality is to replace all human workers with robot slaves then bring it on - Woo-hoo!
 
We should be thinking how to use all that new-found free time when unempolyment is a legitimate career choice
Sure, that was the utopian dream! the problem is that this is not how it works, robots and automatization in general did not just release humans from the heavy work and improved their life by doing so. Those who 'own' the 'robots' (generalise as 'machines') benefit from their higher efficiency and lack of social issues for performing the work but those who used to perform the work before do not get any clear benefit from the introduction of those machines. Sure, the 'population' or 'we the consumers' benefit from their ability to produce goods and services at lower cost than humans do, so in paper it feels like this is a positive thing, but is it so? do we really prefer a world where a yoghurt cost us 1.00 euro and 25% of the population is unemployed, or a world where a yoghurt cost 1.20 euro and we all have a job? (I'm obviously exaggerating and over-simplifying).

If you think that machines allow humans to work less time you are wrong for the most cases, at least that is what experience tells us so far. Less physically heavily perhaps, but less time or with less stress, no. Of course the target might be that by employing machines to do the heaviest part of the work, humans can spend their time in other (presumably more noble) tasks, but given the nature of economics it is very hard to imagine that this will ever be the case.

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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

The world is already full of robots and they are taking away the jobs of so many people, only for the benefit of their 'employers' Confused
The company I work for has been developing a very advanced robot for many years and we commonly joke that it will eventually use it to substitute many of us without receiving complaints, without getting ill and without having to deal with Unions. The problem is that we wonder if we are really joking or predicting the future Shocked
Why is this a problem? Who wants to work every day for the whole of their life anyway? This expectation that we should work ourselves to death is a disease that we've been suffering from since William Lee invented the Stocking Frame in 1563 - the people who ran Blake's dark satanic mills are still with us - forcing us to go to work at stupid o'clock every day and remain there for the next 8-10 hours trudging away at meaningless and unfulfilling tasks - paying us just enough money to ensure we turn up again tomorrow. Whatever the meaning of life is, (and you all know my opinion on philosophers), that certainly isn't it.
 
If the ultimate future reality is to replace all human workers with robot slaves then bring it on - Woo-hoo!
 
We should be thinking how to use all that new-found free time when unempolyment is a legitimate career choice


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The world is already full of robots and they are taking away the jobs of so many people, only for the benefit of their 'employers' Confused
The company I work for has been developing a very advanced robot for many years and we commonly joke that it will eventually use it to substitute many of us without receiving complaints, without getting ill and without having to deal with Unions. The problem is that we wonder if we are really joking or predicting the future Shocked
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Ermm Somehow a drone with OCD doesn't seem that threatening.
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Drones worry me, they're counting down the hairs on my head.
  EEEEEExterminate!!!!
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Drones worry me, they're counting down the hairs on my head.
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