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    Posted: March 27 2013 at 09:17
Originally posted by rushfan4

The state issue just really comes down to is how deeply divided/diverse this country is.  There are areas of the country that are deeply liberal and there are areas that are deeply conservative.  So the gist is, let the liberal states have their gay marriages but allow the conservative states to not allow them.  In a sense, this is a compromise that would make both sides of the argument "happy".  Although, if you are a liberal living in a conservative state (I am looking at you Slarti Wink) or a conservative living in a liberal state than it would continue to be an issue. 
 
 
 
Or if you happen to be gay in a conservative state.  Wink
 
Didn't they try that same sort of compromise in the 19th century regarding slavery?  Didn't really help the slaves in the south did it?  It's not about making liberals or conservatives happy, but about allowing people to be free to live their lives as they see fit. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2013 at 09:43
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Originally posted by rushfan4

The state issue just really comes down to is how deeply divided/diverse this country is.  There are areas of the country that are deeply liberal and there are areas that are deeply conservative.  So the gist is, let the liberal states have their gay marriages but allow the conservative states to not allow them.  In a sense, this is a compromise that would make both sides of the argument "happy".  Although, if you are a liberal living in a conservative state (I am looking at you Slarti Wink) or a conservative living in a liberal state than it would continue to be an issue. 
 
 
 
Or if you happen to be gay in a conservative state.  Wink
 
Didn't they try that same sort of compromise in the 19th century regarding slavery?  Didn't really help the slaves in the south did it?  It's not about making liberals or conservatives happy, but about allowing people to be free to live their lives as they see fit. 
I agree.  But doing so will make a lot of people unhappy.  I did get an earlier chuckle about changing the law in 49 states and leaving Alaska as a safe haven for those people who absolutely cannot accept gay marriage. 
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I used to be a supporter of gay marriage, now I don't know if I support it or not, because I believe marriage should be a contract that two consenting adults sign. I also don't believe anyone should receive benefits for being married and discriminate against people who have not engaged in a country-sanctioned marriage.

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Originally posted by King of Loss

I used to be a supporter of gay marriage, now I don't know if I support it or not, because I believe marriage should be a contract that two consenting adults sign. I also don't believe anyone should receive benefits for being married and discriminate against people who have not engaged in a country-sanctioned marriage.
 
Confused Gay people can't consent?  Or they aren't adults? 
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Originally posted by The Doctor

Originally posted by King of Loss

I used to be a supporter of gay marriage, now I don't know if I support it or not, because I believe marriage should be a contract that two consenting adults sign. I also don't believe anyone should receive benefits for being married and discriminate against people who have not engaged in a country-sanctioned marriage.
 
Confused Gay people can't consent?  Or they aren't adults? 


I just don't believe the federal government should be using the federal government as a battering ram for opening promoting gay marriage, which I don't have a problem, but I do have a problem with the federal government forcing one or the other way on two consenting adults. I think all unions, be it heterosexual or homosexual, should be civil and should not be considered government-sanctioned marriage.


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^The government is not forcing anyone to choose gay marriage.  Hey, if the government told me I had to marry a man or else, I'd certainly have a problem with that.  It isn't about forcing people to make choices, it is about allowing people the freedom to make their own choices. 
 
Maybe the government shouldn't play a role in marriage, but that's another argument altogether.  As it stands, the government does currently play a role in defining marriage and providing benefits/penalties to marriage, and therefore should butt out of people's choices as to whom they wish to marry.
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Government aside, I think it should be up to the individual priest to decide whether he/she wants to marry any couple. Sure if it's done at city hall, it's an altogether different story.
Like I said earlier marriage should be about love, not about gender or sexual preferences. 
The hardest part of that equation is getting all the squares out there to realize and accept that the love between two men/women you name the constellation, is just as real as the one experienced by straight folks.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen

Government aside, I think it should be up to the individual priest to decide whether he/she wants to marry any couple. Sure if it's done at city hall, it's an altogether different story.
Like I said earlier marriage should be about love, not about gender or sexual preferences. 
The hardest part of that equation is getting all the squares out there to realize and accept that the love between two men/women you name the constellation, is just as real as the one experienced by straight folks.
 
I think the hardest part is getting everyone to realize that what other people do with their lives is none of their damn business.  It isn't about accepting anything, it's about live and let live. 
 
I do agree though that the government should not be able to force religious institutions to perform marriages to which they are opposed. 
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I fully agree with everything you said, I've just come across so many people who refuse to acknowledge such a simple truth as the one I mentioned. It's of course much more than that as you point out, but I tend to focus on the little things that I meet every time I attend parties and get-togethers where there's hundreds of gay people around. It then gets very personal, and saying a thing like "it's none of your business" to one of these hot heads who only came to ridicule and throw stones, is simply beyond feasible. Doesn't work.

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Originally posted by The Doctor

Originally posted by Guldbamsen

Government aside, I think it should be up to the individual priest to decide whether he/she wants to marry any couple. Sure if it's done at city hall, it's an altogether different story.
Like I said earlier marriage should be about love, not about gender or sexual preferences. 
The hardest part of that equation is getting all the squares out there to realize and accept that the love between two men/women you name the constellation, is just as real as the one experienced by straight folks.
 
I think the hardest part is getting everyone to realize that what other people do with their lives is none of their damn business.  It isn't about accepting anything, it's about live and let live. 
 
I do agree though that the government should not be able to force religious institutions to perform marriages to which they are opposed. 
I agree with this as well.  If the church as a "business" decides to turn away potential "customers" that is their choice to do so. 
 
The only analogy that seems to come to mind is the one regarding the Augusta golf club and their refusal to allow women into the club as members.  (I believe that this glass ceiling was finally breeched on this if my memory serves me right).  The argument being that women are being discriminated against when it comes to the opportunity of participating in the types of backroom business dealings that go on in a club like that.  I am glad that the government did not step in and force the club to allow women, but I am also disappointed by the number of businesses that businesses leaders that continued to support the club despite its discriminatory practices.   
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“You could have said in the Loving case, what–you can’t get married, but you can have an interracial union. Everyone would know that that was wrong."

Ted Olson, pro-marriage equality attorney, compared today's case before the Supreme Court to the case of Loving v. Virginia, which struck down laws against interracial marriage. http://on.msnbc.com/YH380o


Do you think it's a fair comparison?
“You could have said in the Loving case, what–you can’t get married, but you can have an interracial union. Everyone would know that that was wrong.&quot;     Ted Olson, pro-marriage equality attorney, compared todays case before the Supreme Court to the case of Loving v. Virginia, which struck down laws against interracial marriage. http://on.msnbc.com/YH380o    Do you think its a fair comparison?
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Silly queers...thinking they have rights!




Of course, option #1 for me.


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Originally posted by Man With Hat

Silly queers...thinking they have rights!




Of course, option #1 for me.


Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be off to my BDSM, 17 husband, 22 wife afternoon orgy in the graveyard dressed as past US presidents using replica constitutions as birth control...

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Easy for you to say, I'm husband number 12Angry
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Originally posted by Man With Hat

Silly queers...thinking they have rights!




Of course, option #1 for me.


Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be off to my BDSM, 17 husband, 22 wife afternoon orgy in the graveyard dressed as past US presidents using replica constitutions as birth control...
 
And you didn't invite me?  Angry
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Originally posted by CPicard

The name of this thread is a bit misleading: for a few seconds, I thought that it meant that some members of the U.S. Supreme Court consider marrying each other.
My bad.
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Originally posted by The Doctor


Originally posted by Man With Hat

Silly queers...thinking they have rights!




Of course, option #1 for me.


Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be off to my BDSM, 17 husband, 22 wife afternoon orgy in the graveyard dressed as past US presidents using replica constitutions as birth control...

 
And you didn't invite me?  Angry



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Originally posted by Guldbamsen

Easy for you to say, I'm husband number 12Angry


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Originally posted by Man With Hat

Originally posted by Guldbamsen

Easy for you to say, I'm husband number 12Angry


Don't forget the lube this time man...

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