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I'm 23. I've heard of nearly every band listed on the provided list, but Focus is the only one I've actually checked out to any extent, and with much pleasure. I've also heard Manfred Mann's and Procol Harum's popular songs on the radio, but nothing aside from those.

I'm still pretty new to the prog scene. It doesn't mean I will never check these bands out, as I probably will sooner or later for some. As far as the classic prog acts go, I haven't even checked out everything from the Big 7 (Rush included). Part of it is that I don't limit myself to prog. I've begun exploring other types of music as well. There's just so much music to check out and so little time to listen to it. You can hardly fault one for not knowing all the classics, especially when trying to keep up with the modern and in-between eras as well. I do believe you are not trying to do that though. Smile
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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Ok folks now for the mother ship list. Here is a similar list with many of the same bands from the first list but a bit more comprehensive. This one is strictly seventies(since it was initially intended for a local radio station who does an only seventies prog show once a year).  Have at it(I almost feel like I'm unleashing steak to a bunch of hungry sharks. ;) ). Many of these bands are pretty essential for the serious prog collector imo(your mileage may vary).



PFM  - excellent
Banco  - excellent
Le Orme - excellent but inconsistent
King Crimson - even when not brilliant, always interesting
Gentle Giant - good, but often disappear up their own backsides re complexity
Hawkwind - cosmiche hippy w.a.n.k.
Kraan  - ok but noodly
Can - excellent but inconsistent
Amon Duul II - intermittently excellent
Ash Ra Tempel - poor man's cosmiche hippy w.a.n.k
Eloy - ok but samey
The Strawbs - mediocre folk
Nektar - good but uneven
Alan Parson's Project - s.h.i.t.e.
Greenslade - excellent
England - ok but a tad derivative
Flash (Yes offshoot band featuring Peter Banks) - never heard
Fruupp - mediocre
Finch - excellent
Supersister - excellent
Focus - excellent
Kayak (another Dutch band) - never heard
Wigwam (Finnish band) - never heard
Magma - good but a tad overwrought in places
Ange - good but uneven
Clearlight - never heard
Gong - (apart from the airborne tea pot c.r.a.p) good
Van der Graaf Generator - brilliant
Chicago- brass rawk s.h.i.t.e.
Kansas - ok, borderline pomp
Happy the Man - brilliant
Crack the Sky - never heard
Fireballet - make Yes tribute bands sound original
Camel - good but often bland
Caravan - ok
National Health - excellent
Hatfield and the North - excellent
Renaissance - good
Soft Machine - ok
Kraftwerk - robotic mechanical s.h.i.t.e. (and deliberate, go figure)
Tangerine Dream - stoned German hippys I once saw in concert, none of them appeared to move (ever)
Rush - good
FM - never heard but Nash the Slash was in them I think?
Harmonium - ok but bland
Far East Family Band - never heard
Ambrosia - never heard
Journey - saw them live and lived to regret it - s.h.i.t.e.
Frank Zappa- good




Just as a point of interest/debate - why do you assume that Prog's longevity is best served by 'serious prog collectors'? Ain't those the guys who kill the butterflys in jars? Most of us come to PA to seek out interesting and adventurous music irrespective of what preceded it or followed on. We don't want to become curators in a museum do we?


Edited by ExittheLemming - April 01 2013 at 04:09
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 04:26
Discovering and learning to know music takes time and trial and error. It's only normal if some younger prog fans did not discover some or many of these bands yet, I'm 46 and I am only vaguely familiar with several of them.
They will discover them eventually if they want to, no worries.

I don't think younger proggers (or older ones for what matters) should give any priority to buying a 70's Greenslade album to buying Big Big Train's English Electric or the latest Glass Hammer album. There's a time for everything.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sagichim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 04:45
I know what you mean Prog Traveller, I believe most people getting into prog these days are doing so via modern bands, simply because they have bigger coverage for their music and are easier to find. Of course the road to getting into more famous 70's bands from there is short, thanks to sites like this.

Happily I know all the bands from your list and like most of 'em, but sadly I can come up with even a more obscure list. 
About 90% of my music are 70's bands, I found out about modern prog after I got into 70's prog and I was so glad the torch have passed.
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I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.
Never heard the Nice ? Confused Manfred Mann ? ConfusedConfused Banco del Mutuo Soccorso ? ConfusedConfusedConfused Renaissance ? ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.
Never heard the Nice ? Confused Manfred Mann ? ConfusedConfused Banco del Mutuo Soccorso ? ConfusedConfusedConfused Renaissance ? ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused
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^ I suspect the accuser is in danger of being hoisted by his own Picard petardWink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AtomicCrimsonRush Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:23
Is this an April Fools thread?

How can one not have heard of most of those bands?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:32
I thought we were still on March.....didn't realize that's the Jour de Poisson 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:34
Definitely not March.





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Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

With all the younger music fans getting into prog these days it seems that many of them are forgetting about some of the important but lesser known older bands. Sure they know about Yes, ELP, PF, KC, Genesis and a few others but it seems some of them have gone under the radar. I'm not even sure how familiar most younger fans are with Gentle Giant. With all the new stuff that comes out or gets discussed it's easy to get sidetracked by prog bands from the past ten to fifteen years or so and forget about the older ones.

So I'm wondering if you feel these bands have been neglected. I'll list about twenty or so. Also, if you are under 40 please state that too(if you want) so I know you weren't into these bands 20 plus years ago.


These are just some bands off the top of my head:

Nektar
Barclay James Harvest
Triumvirat
Twelfth Night (from the 80's)
Mastermind (90's band)
Mannfred Mann's earth band
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo)
Procol Harum
The Strawbs
Banco (del mutuo soccorso)
Eloy
Starcastle
Happy the Man
Crack the Sky (more art rockish)
Focus
Argent
Renaissance
Gong
Supersister
Clearlight (French band)
Finch
Ange
Rare Bird
Captain Beyond
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories)
Atomic Rooster
Colosseum
Greenslade
Cast (90's band from Mexico)
FM
Just about any seventies Italian band
Just about any seventies French band
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England.

Please add any band you feel is significant but overlooked from around 1967 or so up to the 90's. The 90's or 80's could be another thread entirely. The point is to not have them be too recent.


I saw Nektar mentioned on another prog site and it got me thinking. If Nektar aren't mentioned much in prog circles(especially these days)then probably most older bands aren't. With all the newer stuff coming out it seems that most prog fans especially younger ones get caught up in the flavor of the week and either forget about or don't bother searching out long lost classics or bands that maybe sang in a foreign language. Lots of good stuff out there pre 2000, pre 1990 and of course pre 1980.







all the bands in the list exist so this cant be an April Fools joke. more about suggesting we havent heard of any of em
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Oh dear.
 
 
Scott, it is the happy Frenchman Mr. Picard who is joking with us, not Mr Traveller.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:43
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Oh dear.
 
 
Scott, it is the happy Frenchman Mr. Picard who is joking with us, not Mr Traveller.

Yes..the thread was started in march. A bit obvious really.Shocked
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Ah the Frenchman strikes again...... tho its almost 10pm here in Australia so April Fools is over for us
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Now that we are joking, why don't we use Confused instead of stars to rate poor albums?

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Good grief, if I have to count with the time difference, how can I do a joke to the Japanese, Chinese, Indian or Australian forumites?!
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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Mastermind? I dont know every band in existence but now I can look em up. So dont get so pent up about someone not knowing an obscure band.


EDIT:
ah, they are from the 1990s... now I can see as that era rarely appeals to me. hardly any reviews either...., still i can download from itunes this and see what they are like. Cheers!

Mastermind Angels of the Apocalypse  album cover
GREAT ALBUM .THEY MADE AN  AMAZING  COVER  VERSION OF ELP 




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sleeper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 06:36
To be honest I think this thread is rather uselss since this is PA, only the complete newbies or those reluctant to explore 70's music will be unfamilier with the majority of bands listed in the OP, regardless of age. It also sounds from the tone of that OP like Prog_Traveller has a problem with people listening to modern prog, or that it's some how inferior to the classics.

For the record I'm 27 with a collection of nearly a 1000 albums, with somewhere between a quarter and a third of which are all from the 70's. Not really surprising since I joined the site a week after I turned 20.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Argonaught Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 08:18
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.

But mon Capitaine, ALL band names have been made up? by someone? at some point?
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