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    Posted: August 04 2013 at 00:10
Maybe Yes could record a sequel to "Tormato" and call it "Sharknado"? 




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Originally posted by stegor stegor wrote:

I think Jumping the Shark suggests more than just a decline in quality, it's more of a sudden departure into the ridiculous. I think only a few Prog bands actually did that, most just gradually got boring.

Jethro Tull jumped it with A. It was such a self conscious attempt to modernize. Ian and Martin looked ridiculous in those white jumpsuits. Were they trying to be DEVO?

I'd bought every Tull album as soon as it came out since Minstrel and "A" was the 1st time I was disappointed...I hated the music, I hated the song titles, and I hated the jumpsuits LOL
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Originally posted by stegor stegor wrote:

I think Jumping the Shark suggests more than just a decline in quality, it's more of a sudden departure into the ridiculous. I think only a few Prog bands actually did that, most just gradually got boring.

Jethro Tull jumped it with A. It was such a self conscious attempt to modernize. Ian and Martin looked ridiculous in those white jumpsuits. Were they trying to be DEVO?
ELP - Love Beach of course. They were approaching the shark with Works I and II, building the intensity and suspense leading up to the actual jump.
Genesis - They didn't really jump the shark, they just sort of paddled around it in a canoe for a while and then it tipped over. Same with Yes, I think. Big Generator was obviously the end of anything Progressive (for the time being), but it wasn't ridiculous or laughable.
Good analysis, but I would say Genesis did "jump the shark" with 'And Then There Were Three' (1978).  Losing both Gabriel and Hackett was a blow they really never recovered from - 'Duke' (1980) notwithstanding...
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I talk to the wind is a pop song, it was over after 7 min and 21 seconds LOL
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Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

I know this was a couple pages ago... but I'll be honest. Drama is an amazing album.
And I love the Buggles. Sure, it's pure pop, but it also has elements of great songwriting.


Yeah. Seems to be a growing consensus here on PA about YES being shark jumpers after Drama.

You know it's funny out of the Big three YES GENESIS and PINK FLOYD, Floyd is the only band that really didn't do any pop infused music with in there sound...maybe a little on AMLOR but I loooooove that album. :)
Threshold still have all the goods that makes them one of the best classic rock/Prog metal bands in the world. 2014's For The Journey is worth a serious listen.
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I know this was a couple pages ago... but I'll be honest. Drama is an amazing album.

And I love the Buggles. Sure, it's pure pop, but it also has elements of great songwriting.


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King Crimson jumped the shark when they put out songs like "The World's My Oyster Soup Kitchen Floor Wax Museum" and "The ConstruKtion of Light". LOL

 
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Vinyl Connection Vinyl Connection wrote:

I wonder whether some of the things we're sharing are not so much about musicality but more those cringe-worthy moments that music periodically throws up. Like Greg Lake's $10k on-stage ancient carpets. Or indeed, 'Follow you, follow me' 
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This is prog in all it's cheesy glory. Didn't lake get it to prevent him from getting electrocuted again. Heard something about that once.


Yes that was the reason to get a rug in the first place, and if you can afford the real deal - why not.
Greg's still got the rug, btw. A nice investment.

That has to be the biggest triangle I've ever seen.  I guess Carl was jealous of Greg's rug LOL
Just big enough to provide some balance to the bell and gongs Tongue
Ya, and added to Carl's 2 ton stainless steel shell drum kit I bet the roadies had to pour a concrete foundation before every show Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2013 at 12:37
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Vinyl Connection Vinyl Connection wrote:

I wonder whether some of the things we're sharing are not so much about musicality but more those cringe-worthy moments that music periodically throws up. Like Greg Lake's $10k on-stage ancient carpets. Or indeed, 'Follow you, follow me' 
www.vinylconnection.com.au
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This is prog in all it's cheesy glory. Didn't lake get it to prevent him from getting electrocuted again. Heard something about that once.


Yes that was the reason to get a rug in the first place, and if you can afford the real deal - why not.
Greg's still got the rug, btw. A nice investment.

That has to be the biggest triangle I've ever seen.  I guess Carl was jealous of Greg's rug LOL
Just big enough to provide some balance to the bell and gongs Tongue
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Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Vinyl Connection Vinyl Connection wrote:

I wonder whether some of the things we're sharing are not so much about musicality but more those cringe-worthy moments that music periodically throws up. Like Greg Lake's $10k on-stage ancient carpets. Or indeed, 'Follow you, follow me' 
www.vinylconnection.com.au
Oh, but it was a nice carpet Tongue



This is prog in all it's cheesy glory. Didn't lake get it to prevent him from getting electrocuted again. Heard something about that once.


Yes that was the reason to get a rug in the first place, and if you can afford the real deal - why not.
Greg's still got the rug, btw. A nice investment.

That has to be the biggest triangle I've ever seen.  I guess Carl was jealous of Greg's rug LOL
I'm using the chicken to measure it.
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Vinyl Connection Vinyl Connection wrote:

I wonder whether some of the things we're sharing are not so much about musicality but more those cringe-worthy moments that music periodically throws up. Like Greg Lake's $10k on-stage ancient carpets. Or indeed, 'Follow you, follow me' 
www.vinylconnection.com.au
Oh, but it was a nice carpet Tongue



This is prog in all it's cheesy glory. Didn't lake get it to prevent him from getting electrocuted again. Heard something about that once.


Yes that was the reason to get a rug in the first place, and if you can afford the real deal - why not.
Greg's still got the rug, btw. A nice investment.
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Vinyl Connection Vinyl Connection wrote:

I wonder whether some of the things we're sharing are not so much about musicality but more those cringe-worthy moments that music periodically throws up. Like Greg Lake's $10k on-stage ancient carpets. Or indeed, 'Follow you, follow me' 
www.vinylconnection.com.au
Oh, but it was a nice carpet Tongue



This is prog in all it's cheesy glory. Didn't lake get it to prevent him from getting electrocuted again. Heard something about that once.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ love that pic , looks like Cal Jam judging by the bit of the rainbow you can see on the left

yep that rug , Carl's half a ton drum riser and Emerson's 'flying' Moog. ELP jumped the shark collectivelyBig smile
Yeah that winged Moog was also a bit of a shark jump LOL


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ love that pic , looks like Cal Jam judging by the bit of the rainbow you can see on the left

yep that rug , Carl's half a ton drum riser and Emerson's 'flying' Moog. ELP jumped the shark collectivelyBig smile
Yes it's Cal Jam. Yeah with what Keith and Carl had on stage, a carpet for Greg does not look too much of an excess LOL
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^ love that pic , looks like Cal Jam judging by the bit of the rainbow you can see on the left

yep that rug , Carl's half a ton drum riser and Emerson's 'flying' Moog. ELP jumped the shark collectivelyBig smile
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Originally posted by Vinyl Connection Vinyl Connection wrote:

I wonder whether some of the things we're sharing are not so much about musicality but more those cringe-worthy moments that music periodically throws up. Like Greg Lake's $10k on-stage ancient carpets. Or indeed, 'Follow you, follow me' 
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Well I'm probably not going to get a well said for this one but prog bit the dust sometime in the mid seventies. There are a lot of bands that continued on but the whole concept had run it's course by 1975. After that it was either rehash or a complete change in style. Best example is Genesis. I remember hearing prog on FM radio when I was a kid going through my Elvis phase back in the early seventies. You<ll be lucky to hear anything like even the most mainstream early seventies prog on the radio these days. If you're lucky you might hear Aqualung or something from DSOTM.
When I was a kid I remember hearing "Lucky Man" & "Living in the Past" on AM radio!  Today if you hear anything from Aqualung or DSOTM it's because it's considered "classic rock" not prog Wink
I heard Roundabout on my sister's car radio today from a station in NY. But I guess that's classic rock. I heard the 2:35 version of Hocus Pocus all the time on AM radio when it came out as a single in '73. They also had it on a K-Tel sampler called Fantastic along with Crocodile Rock by Elton John, Little Willy by the Sweet as well as other crap by Donny Osmond, Gary Glitter, Rod Stewart and Tony Orlando & Dawn if you can believe it. Prog was a very short lived thing. I can't understand why there are so many bands here that don't fall into that category. But then again I was the one who added Larry Coryell. Probably one of the greatest guitarists who ever lived but not prog.

Prog jumped the shark a bit before Fonzie jumped the shark on Happy Days.
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I wonder whether some of the things we're sharing are not so much about musicality but more those cringe-worthy moments that music periodically throws up. Like Greg Lake's $10k on-stage ancient carpets. Or indeed, 'Follow you, follow me' 
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Well I'm probably not going to get a well said for this one but prog bit the dust sometime in the mid seventies. There are a lot of bands that continued on but the whole concept had run it's course by 1975. After that it was either rehash or a complete change in style. Best example is Genesis. I remember hearing prog on FM radio when I was a kid going through my Elvis phase back in the early seventies. You<ll be lucky to hear anything like even the most mainstream early seventies prog on the radio these days. If you're lucky you might hear Aqualung or something from DSOTM.
When I was a kid I remember hearing "Lucky Man" & "Living in the Past" on AM radio!  Today if you hear anything from Aqualung or DSOTM it's because it's considered "classic rock" not prog Wink
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