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Floyd Steely
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 04 2011 Location: Madison WI Status: Offline Points: 213 |
Posted: May 25 2013 at 14:11 | |||
I'm always amazed Djam Karet garner so few ratings and mentions on this site. While prog was in its late-80s hibernation, those guys flew their prog flag high and made a name for themselves in true DIY fashion. Where's the love? And I agree with your suggestion. They seem to be in this game for life. |
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 16165 |
Posted: May 25 2013 at 11:57 | |||
Agreed. I do not think that DT is over. I do think that they need to "re-think" their music and their work ... and that they could use getting away from the "metal" thing, and create some really strong music. But it is really hard to see this happening, when you see one solo project and it is the worst metal out there in 3 minute songs, or just a guitar, doing the same thing it has been doing in other projects and experiments. Makes you wonder who the visionary in that band really was ... but there is always hope that something new will come out of this, because it will look rather sad and weak at 60 ... unless the instruments are lip-sync'd ... you know what I mean! Somehow, hearing/watching Iggy doing the same thing he did 40 years ago, just is not as attractive or interesting ... and looks rather stupid!
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Stool Man
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2007 Location: Anti-Cool (anag Status: Offline Points: 2689 |
Posted: May 25 2013 at 11:27 | |||
Maybe someone here will start a "20th album" poll sometime.
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: May 25 2013 at 11:25 | |||
It has to be said that there are plenty of people who consider DT well passed their best and wished they had stopped a long time ago rather than put out mediocre album after mediocre album. Sometimes longevity isn't a good thing. |
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moshkito
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Posted: May 25 2013 at 11:19 | |||
Hi, Djam Karet. 25 years ... and still going and their latest "The Trip" is as good as ever, and then some. And they keep on representing "progressive music" a lot better than many bands mentioned here!
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Metalmarsh89
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Posted: May 25 2013 at 08:20 | |||
I think they formed in 1968, so that puts them at 45 years. I bet they can reach 50. |
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26171 |
Posted: May 25 2013 at 02:34 | |||
me too
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7750 |
Posted: May 24 2013 at 23:38 | |||
Good bands like RUSH don't have to sound exactly the same as they did in the past. For example, geddy's voice is not as good as it was 15 years live. Neil Peart is not as fast as he was, but they still make quality music and they still sound great. My longevity, in prog rock music, vote goes to RUSH. 40 years! Wow |
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Second Life Syndrome
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 20 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 361 |
Posted: May 24 2013 at 23:32 | |||
Good point.
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Stool Man
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Posted: May 24 2013 at 23:16 | |||
I think you'll find that Rush have not sounded the same forever.
As for the fans still faithfully buying the music, that's mostly new fans buying the new music. For example, most early Pink Floyd fans who bought The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn in 1967 would have gone off the new sound of the later Pink Floyd heard on, say, Meddle. The new fans who bought that album when it was released would later mostly be replaced by another generation of new fans who bought The Wall. Later on again, The Division Bell was largely bought by another new generation of fans, many of whom thought that the band's first album was The Dark Side Of The Moon. I exaggerate, of course, but the point is that over a long period of time the people buying a band's albums are different people. There are loads of other examples of a band's sound changing over time Edited by Stool Man - May 24 2013 at 23:16 |
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Second Life Syndrome
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 20 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 361 |
Posted: May 24 2013 at 22:38 | |||
I just worry about longevity because I feel, at a certain point, their names keep them going more than any innovation or musical genius. Rush has kinda sounded the same for forever. Dream Theater is probably the worst offender, though. They haven't changed much at all in the past 20 years. Yet, their fans still faithfully buy the music: More power to them if they like that sort of thing. I guess stale prog is better than no prog at all.
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Stool Man
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Posted: May 24 2013 at 15:32 | |||
The Glenn Miller Orchestra are the granddaddy of this. Still going strong after reforming in 1956 |
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prog4evr
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Posted: May 24 2013 at 14:20 | |||
Agreed. And, so glad that Latimer is back in good health...
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progbethyname
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 23:28 | |||
Yeah. Like DreamTheater. Those guys will probably last till their 60 and still put out great music. :) |
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brainstormer
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Posted: May 23 2013 at 20:40 | |||
A lot of bands have made great music that had no longevity. And when
some of them produced something after a while you almost wish they didn't. Art is the only area in life where you can say nasty things about someone and not feel like a scoundrel.
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Neo-Romantic
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Posted: May 22 2013 at 20:34 | |||
This. A thousand times this. |
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bonestorm
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Posted: May 22 2013 at 20:26 | |||
I think the age of the band is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is whether or not they're putting out good music. Some bands can have members in their 40s and 50s still come up with ideas and something new. Other bands of 20-somethings put out one album and then run out of inspiration even though they are quite young. I know which I'd rather listen to.
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progbethyname
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Posted: May 22 2013 at 19:13 | |||
I agree about Mr. LaBrie voice. He needs to sound like he did on The Score: 25th anniversary live at radio city music hall. That was the best he ever sounded. He took the metal out of his voice and preceded to sound like the melodical juggernaut he is! My favourite performance from him live. My least was the DVD set of Chaos in Motion. It sounds like he trying to be a true metal voice, but he can't do it. It's just not him. He's not freakin Dave Mustaine. I found he tried to sound like him on the track 'the count of tuscany.' |
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twseel
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Posted: May 22 2013 at 14:42 | |||
Oh yes, that sounds really typical!
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CPicard
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Posted: May 22 2013 at 13:57 | |||
If there are some musical ensembles to play Middle Age music, we can bet that some musicians would enjoy playing the repertoire of the 20th century's Rock music: we already have The Watch, Soft Machine Legacy, Mahavishnu Project, Zappa Plays Zappa...
Then, it doesn't sound crazy to think that some names would be carried towards the next centuries and that our children's children's children will queue to get tickets for the next concert of Yes - The 4th Generation or something like that. |
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