Prog-Does The Recording Year Matter? |
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tamijo
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
Posted: May 29 2013 at 11:02 | |||
Im getting more and more into everything sweet, not the healthiest development.
But actually I just love lakrids in every shape and form.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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SquonkHunter
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 22 2013 Location: Texas, by God! Status: Offline Points: 334 |
Posted: May 29 2013 at 11:13 | |||
For the record: Stairway to Heaven was released 8 November, 1971. The recording year can give the listener the context in which the recording was made. What may sound dull or derivative today could sound very original and fresh years ago. IOW, was it a trend setter or follower? |
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"You never had the things you thought you should have had and you'll not get them now..."
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 16165 |
Posted: May 29 2013 at 14:05 | |||
I like random-ness in my listening habits! Btw, numbers upside down also works great! |
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 16165 |
Posted: May 29 2013 at 14:07 | |||
What a bunch of kooks we all are! I put in the incorrect date on purpose! It was just like a puddle that you all were going to step in ... and for my next trick I'm going to get a big tub, fill it up with ____________ and then put money in it, and play "Something is in the Air" out loud ... for all the folks here! This way, at least, we can have a laugh and get the point .... go get that money you fool!
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admireArt
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 29 2012 Location: Mexico City Status: Offline Points: 53 |
Posted: June 26 2013 at 20:56 | |||
Those who ignore the past; will repeat it and call it their own. Time is an "un-erraseable" issue!
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admireArt
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 29 2012 Location: Mexico City Status: Offline Points: 53 |
Posted: June 26 2013 at 20:59 | |||
Those who ignore the past; later will call it their own!
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The.Crimson.King
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 4591 |
Posted: June 28 2013 at 16:55 | |||
I'm totally into the year and think it's part of the fun of having a prog collection. When I discovered the PA "TOP list custom links and filter" search function I had a blast. I get totally excited when I find a 70's prog masterpiece I never heard before (like Pentacle, Mona Lisa, Bacamarte, Kyrie Eleison, etc)...discovering buried treasure is a big part of the fun
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progbethyname
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 12:15 | |||
^ very true. I think when you discover a band that you really like and their music is from a certain generation like say the 80's or 90's, I kind of get excited to hear a highly regarded album if it's from the 80's or early 90's recording period.
Certain years and generations carry a certain style of sound. Just an example. A while back I discovered PSYCHOTIC WALTZ's: A SOCIAL GRACE and I read up on the album before buying it and also saw the recording year was from 1988-1989. I was immediately very excited. :) the 80's are a special time for me. Actually, still to this day 80's prog remains ageless with me. :) |
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Knobby
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 31 2013 Location: Ontario Status: Offline Points: 490 |
Posted: June 30 2013 at 14:09 | |||
I am very suspect about the modern bands/modern sound.
First thing I want to know when it comes to a new band: is it some new inbred metalprog melodic dungus that is feeding off THE IMMEDIATE LAST GENERATION of AOR/aggressive guitar/stupid simple in-your-face drumming OR...is it the rare new band that actually knows jazz chords and something beyond workstation-style keys?
Do they know something about actual composition /counterpoint/ syncopation/vocal harmonies like most of the 70s bands did? Or are they just sucking off the flaccid penis of the last watered-down prog fad.
If you are copying the copier, what product you expect to get?
Things become thinner & thinner, angrier & angrier.....shock becomes important.
There are good new bands there, but one has to dig much harder - experience more shoite.
Not sure I'm willing to do that.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 16:22 | |||
^this. It's very unusual for me to take the time to check out today's new prog bands...like the vast majority of "new" music, I don't find it original or interesting. I just broke down my 1000+ album collection by decade and it confirms this... 60's albums 6% 70's albums 39% 80's albums 23% 90's albums 23% 00's albums 8% 10's albums 1% |
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infocat
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Posted: June 30 2013 at 23:18 | |||
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Knobby
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Posted: July 01 2013 at 07:20 | |||
Yep - and, wot with being a prog masterman, I knows 95% of 'em.
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presdoug
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Posted: July 01 2013 at 07:58 | |||
I am almost exclusively 70s in my prog focus and interest (with some late 60s and early 80s in the mix)
Not to say that there isn't good music from more recent times, it just doesn't really interest me. |
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Knobby
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Posted: July 01 2013 at 08:07 | |||
It SHOULD interest you.
You are missing out on a lot.
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The.Crimson.King
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 4591 |
Posted: July 01 2013 at 12:18 | |||
I'm sure you're right, but for me it's a numbers game. I have limited resources and time to explore new bands so I focus on the decades that give me the highest probability of success |
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prog4evr
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 22 2005 Location: Wuhan, China Status: Offline Points: 1455 |
Posted: July 01 2013 at 13:13 | |||
Couldn't agree more! As they say about wine vintages: "1973 was a very good year..."
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Chozal
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Posted: July 01 2013 at 20:01 | |||
I am very biased towards the 80's as only metal managed to sound good in that era recording-wise.
I used to select new albums to check out based on the release year hoping the sound quality would be better in the late 70's but that was foolish. But certainly, fishing according to decade is something I'm pretty sure most of us did or do ^^ |
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 16165 |
Posted: July 03 2013 at 15:03 | |||
Now, let's look at this ... the year that Beethoven wrote the 5th, or Mahler wrote his 3rd! So, you're telling me that on the year X, a 22 minute rock song is important, but on year Y, a 22 minute piece of music is not! And today, it would be rock/jazz, and not likely to be "classic" music as it is known.
It is not the first time a rock song was written that it was that long, and even engineers like Tom Dowd make some notes and thoughts about that. It is, almost exclusively, that the commercial side of records and then tapes and then CD's were almost all about selling to the public ... it had nothing to do with music, and a lot of music lost its flow because of it, and even the likes of Miles Davis used to get upset when told to cut it down.
FACT: Fillmore West, was known for its jams ... and such. Show me, how many pieces are on record and appreciated as such! Almost NONE! ... but the majority of the bands are known and still appreciated ... for the "hits" and small cuts!
Now, maybe you can see the appreciation for "music", instead of the controls for it!
There has ALWAYS been long cuts ... but because most of our listening habits and mind is so de-sensitized to smaller segments in music due to "radio" and then "tv" and then "hits", our appreciation for music has taken a serious hit in its implementation and definition.
Ok. But it more tells about the time and place. We can all mention the romantic period of music, the baroque and the such ... and you can discuss the same thing about instrumentation and melodic vocabulary in those two periods of music.
In your case, knowing the keyboard sound (or the synthesizer that created it!) helps you define this even more ... but that's like saying that the Mozart Symphonies are all the same ... nope! Nope ... there are just as many subtleties there .... that might even give away the same trickery that allows you to say ... that's an ARP Odyseey, that's a Prophet 5, that's a CS3.
Ohhh ... my ... so no other piece of music, has ever indicated that to you? ... you have not heard a lot of 20th century music, then ... because it's full of music that are EPIC's about war, and its experiences, and give you an idea of what lays behind the music ... which of course, our spoiled minds in the media days, sometimes don't even believe they were true! Too much rock music ... is distorting your studying and history of music and any of the arts!
History has always been there ... and sometimes the music is there and sometimes not ... the difference is ... you see it or you don't! And you sjut showed it here, see?
Your post is actually very good, but I wanted you to see that there is more to time ... than just music! Literature, Paintings, Murals, Churches ... you name it ... and they were the epics of the time ... done in the way that was known then ... and this is the hard parallel for us to see.
We know today ... and does it have to stop there?
We conjecture on yesterday and rely on "history" to learn from it ... and then find some things here and there ... that also tell you the same thing as the history books. Ex: You only need to see Picasso's Guernica to know everything you need to know about the Spanish Civil War ... and you don't think there was music at that time? ... THERE WAS ... A LOT OF IT TOO ... and some of it is an hour long and then some! ... but you don't know that, or associate that, or think that it is possible, see?
It always was. It is! Edited by moshkito - July 03 2013 at 15:26 |
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 16165 |
Posted: July 04 2013 at 15:15 | |||
I'm gonna have to lock you up with Djam Karet ... if you take the 1st 5 albums side by side with King Crimson, let's say ... there is no comparison ... oh well ... someday!
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TODDLER
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Posted: July 04 2013 at 20:15 | |||
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