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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2013 at 22:47
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I would beg to differ on a few but Stratosfear was definitely one of TGs classics along with Rubycon and Phaedra. 


Al great!!! GRRRRRRRRREAT!!!
Threshold still have all the goods that makes them one of the best classic rock/Prog metal bands in the world. 2014's For The Journey is worth a serious listen.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Svetonio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2013 at 01:03
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I think the classic period is just "overrated" (for lack of a better word atm), you're just realizing that every prog album in the 70's wasn't perfect :P
.. but it was fresh and bold.

I couldn't care less. I look at the content more.
That's why i don't think In The Court.. is a 5* album. Sure it was pivotal to progressive music, but that doesn't change the quality of music. 

Lets keep influence and quality separated.  
Actually, I'm not a big fan of ITCOCK.  But  '70s progressive rock bands and solo  artists were recorded  so many great albums that were completly original and great quality then released; today the most prog bands just recycles that heritage because it is impossible to create something so original and better  in the same genre  - aside of the "new" genres what we accepted as progressive rock although that weren't exist in '70s - for example progressive metal and post /math rock.

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More made up genres. Math rock? C'mon give me a break.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Svetonio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2013 at 03:24
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

More made up genres. Math rock? C'mon give me a break.

You can love it or not but Post / Math Rock is completly original genre and the best thing that happened in progresive music since 70s.
Also, there are not bad ending tracks in the Post/Math, on contrary - so beautiful crescendos I heard

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There is no such thing just like there is no such thing as ghosts or UFOs or the Loch Ness Monster. These are made up genres just like many of the made up genres on this site. Read Edward Macan's book. 
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

There is no such thing just like there is no such thing as ghosts or UFOs or the Loch Ness Monster. These are made up genres just like many of the made up genres on this site. Read Edward Macan's book. 

Those phenomenons as "ghosts", UFO, SHC, oceans' "monsters" and so on, really exists, but the Science can not explain such things yet.
But, Post/Math rock is made by MUSICIANS; there's no mistery; you can listen to them and to see them on a concert. You can talk with them. So, your comparision with obscure mysteries is not valid, even not funny if we have in mind that the SHC phenomenon is not so rare but we still can not explain it...
Well, in 20 yrs people will say "yea, post rock was great" or "f.., it was bs" but there's not so much individuals who can see the future so clear to tell us what exactly will be people's opinion about today's proggy scene.


 

p.s. Oh man, you really don't believe in aliens? This is a group of them, from the planet GonG, a photo taken in early 70s by Direction Centrale Des Renseigments Generaux:






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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Blacksword Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2013 at 05:24
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

And let's not forget a great few ending tracks
 

"Awaken"

"To Be Over"

"The Fountain of Salmacis"

"Supper's Ready"

 

I could go on


Indeed. There are probably more strong album closers than weak closers across the classic prog era.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

"Los Endos" makes perfect sense as a closing track. If it were at the start it would "Los Beginningos".

Los Endos is one of the greatest Symphonic Prog instrumentals I ever heard.
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What is Maths Rock? What is mathmaticical about it? Is it calculated music? Is it computer written?  Was Bach Maths Orchestral?

Edited by Snow Dog - June 13 2013 at 06:20
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Those phenomenons as "ghosts", UFO, SHC, oceans' "monsters" and so on, really exists, but the Science can not explain such things yet.

 
 
Can you back up that statement with evidence?
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

"Los Endos" makes perfect sense as a closing track. If it were at the start it would "Los Beginningos".

Los Endos is one of the greatest Symphonic Prog instrumentals I ever heard.
It's not an instrumental, it has singing on it.
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

There is no such thing just like there is no such thing as ghosts or UFOs or the Loch Ness Monster. These are made up genres just like many of the made up genres on this site. Read Edward Macan's book. 

Every genre is made up. King Crimson didn't sit down in 1969 and decided "we're gonna make a progressive rock record". The Ramones didn't call themselves punk rock when they first started to play - journalists invented the term. When a new type of music comes along, people will start to label it, and one name will eventually stick. So why not math rock?

As for the "genres" on this website, many of them are just umbrella terms used for convenience. I think we can all agree that "Eclectic Prog" or "Crossover Prog" aren't actual styles of music, but they do make sense for categorizing bands on this website.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2013 at 07:01
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

"Los Endos" makes perfect sense as a closing track. If it were at the start it would "Los Beginningos".

Los Endos is one of the greatest Symphonic Prog instrumentals I ever heard.
It's not an instrumental, it has singing on it.

Are you me? A bit pedantic by even my standards.LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2013 at 07:01
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Those phenomenons as "ghosts", UFO, SHC, oceans' "monsters" and so on, really exists, but the Science can not explain such things yet.

 
 
Can you back up that statement with evidence?

Of course he can't.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2013 at 07:16
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

"Los Endos" makes perfect sense as a closing track. If it were at the start it would "Los Beginningos".

Los Endos is one of the greatest Symphonic Prog instrumentals I ever heard.
It's not an instrumental, it has singing on it.

Are you me? A bit pedantic by even my standards.LOL
LOL thanks.
OK it's a bit pedantic, but there are vocals on it (albeit briefly).
 
I've always wondered what constitues an instrumental - is it a song with no voices at all or with no words e.g. is The Beatles "Flying" an instrumental?
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

"Los Endos" makes perfect sense as a closing track. If it were at the start it would "Los Beginningos".

Los Endos is one of the greatest Symphonic Prog instrumentals I ever heard.
It's not an instrumental, it has singing on it.

Are you me? A bit pedantic by even my standards.LOL
LOL thanks.
OK it's a bit pedantic, but there are vocals on it (albeit briefly).
 
I've always wondered what constitues an instrumental - is it a song with no voices at all or with no words e.g. is The Beatles "Flying" an instrumental?

I'd say technically they are not. What irritates  me is Rush "instrumentals" with background  vocalisations from Geddy.  I  hate that. Wish I could  cut it out.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


What is Maths Rock? What is mathmaticical about it? Is it calculated music? Is it computer written?  Was Bach Maths Orchestral?


It's a modern name for 'prog rock'

As far as I can see it's characterised by a number of musical principles than underpin pretty much all progressive rock. A sub genre for the sake of a sub genre?

Math rock

Relatively young bands, too cool for the prog label??
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math rock = technical modern rock 
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So that's Maths Rock. Sounds awful.
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"math rock frequently uses asymmetrical time signatures such as 7/8, 11/8, or 13/8, or features constantly changing meters based on various groupings of 2 and 3. "
 
So Supper's Ready is math rock then?
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