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sherrynoland ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2010 Location: Las Vegas Status: Offline Points: 377 |
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I'm curious as to how many active members there are on progaqrchives.com. I know they cite something like 40,000 members, but when I look at the forum board, there are usually only a few viewers if any at all on any one forum.
I'd also like to know from anyone who's willing to say, how many CDs and concert tickets did you purchase in the last year?
I ask partly because I'm really very surprised at the lack of response here to the news I've been posting about the return of prog pioneers Flash. They were a seminal prog band and one of few to actually have charted with both an album and a single. Their albums have been reissued over the years numerous times and their singles included on many compilations celebrating that era. They've always enjoyed critical acclaim and airplay all over the world for their music including their new CD, even in these tough days in the music industry. And some of the Flash songs on youtube have tens of thousands of views. These guys are gold.,,the real thing beyond dispute. They are veterans, rich with history and experience, contemporaries and collaborators with many of the musicians lionized today from that era. They were at the heart of, and instrumental to the birth of the music we all say we love. When I told Flash lead guitarist/bassist/singer/writer, Ray Bennett, that Wishbone Ash (who Flash toured with) and Nektar drew only 50 people at a venue last week, he wondered whether there is the same kind of enthusiasm for real quality rock music today that there was in the 60's and 70's when they were coming of age and rock 'n' roll was still so new? People were hungry for it and turned out en mass to hear it. People complain about the shallowness of pop music today, but when something better is offered, who supports it? It can't survive without us. |
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Ambient Hurricanes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
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Rock 'n Roll is very much alive and well. It has moved out of the mainstream. That is all.
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thellama73 ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
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Maybe it's just that nobody cares about Flash and people don't like being advertised at.
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aapatsos ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 9226 |
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Knobby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 31 2013 Location: Ontario Status: Offline Points: 490 |
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You two are clean ignorant.
I care about Flash.
Great band.
You dont care about Flash? Then prepare to be saddled with the consequences: you are ignorant of good music, Jimmehs.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20700 |
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I never considered Flash a 'seminal' prog band but did like their early lp's.
As far as rock being dead....in a word no. Their are new good rock and prog rock bands all the time.
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4098 |
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There is a difference between being interested in a band (I'm interested in lot's of bands) and willing to shell out money and time to go see them in our busy lives---as opposed to just watching them on YouTube---I love prog but there are only a handful of groups that I will take the time and go see live--usually just the one's I'm obsessed with---and they usually have someone in the band that I'm a fan boy for---but that's just me.
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thellama73 ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
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Yeah, ignorant like a fox! |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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This is what Sherry is asking.
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What?
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Knobby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 31 2013 Location: Ontario Status: Offline Points: 490 |
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Prog Masterman here.
Not Jimmeh Nobody.
Prog Masterman.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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... so that's a "no" to all four questions then.
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What?
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65821 |
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as to the OP's questions -
Not sure how many active members; a good number compared to almost any other music forum. A few viewers in any one forum is normal, the total number on a weekend or other high-volume time is fairly respectable. I don't go to nearly as many live shows as I used to but I'm 46 and put in my concert time; waiting in two-day lines for tickets, cramming up front at sweltering summer shows, roadcrewing for local bands, snagging banners, flyers and set-lists. Saw well over a hundred shows in my day. I don't really need to see Greg Lake taking oxygen between numbers or Neil Peart's standard drum solo for the fifth time. Flash? Good authentic prog band, as the OP states. I love me some oldtime prog, In the Can didn't quite impress me as much as say Morgan's Nova Solis or Iceberg's Coses Nostres or Yezda Urfa's Sacred Baboon, but I still appreciate them and what they stand for. |
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21597 |
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To answer your questions, I buy between 100 & 150 cd's a year split pretty much 50:50 between old & new stuff. I go to two festival a year and around 10 to 12 other concerts, everything between 10 and 2000 people.
Flash aren't really my thing, I checked out their material but it ain't for me. I'm doing what I can to support the music but that doesn't include people overly forcefully pushing bands I'm not into. Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - June 30 2013 at 19:32 |
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Mellotron Storm ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 27 2006 Location: The Beach Status: Online Points: 14515 |
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Neil Young and I agree that Rock and Roll will never die.
Like Ian I feel I do my part although not this year because of financial problems. ![]() Flash aren't my bag either but then we all have different tastes.
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Progosopher ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 12 2009 Location: Coolwood Status: Offline Points: 6484 |
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As long as people are listening to it and bands are playing it, whether the music is new or not, Rock is not dead. That is not to say it is in the mainstream of popularity. We live in strange musical times. Many of us remember when Rock was the height of popularity and when several Prog bands were extremely popular. The music listening public is fickle, however, and the unwashed masses are content to hear only what amuses them at the moment. There is more music now that is more widely available than ever before. I am not that familiar with the music of Flash, but it is good to hear that they are still active. Right now, I am listening to Todd Rundgren's Utopia, which I just bought (and he just released a new album). I have acquired several dozen albums this year so far, mostly through purchase but also through trading with some buddies of mine. Little of that is brand new, however.
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The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7520 |
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Thank you, Sherry! I've pondered this question myself, having tried to help quite a few bands from the 1970's (Captain Beyond, Brand X etc.) come back in the 1990's and beyond.
First, I'd like to say that the musical product of many of these bands usually is as good as it was at their peak. I recently saw Andy Powell's "Wishbone Ash" at a large bar in Illinois, the place was packed and music fantastic. However, it wasn't nearly as large of a crowd as when they played at the Chicago Auditorium in 1973, when Flash opened the show for Wishbone Ash. In some ways, it is a "best of both worlds" for musicians and fans, as the musicians get to play in more acoustic-friendly venues, and fans get to see their favorites up close, even meeting with them. I've done this with many bands....Cheap Trick, Peter Frampton, Jon Anderson, Brand X, Gong, Return to Forever etc. all seem to be playing smaller venues. Some bands still can pack large venues....The 35th Anniversary show for Yes in Chicago was at an immense venue (Allstate Arena), and it was sold out, just like Yes used to do in its hey-day. That was a very special tour, and lately the reformulated Yes, featuring a substitute for Jon Anderson on vocals, struggles to fill theaters at gambling casinos. So, it depends upon the product and fan base, they can smell a fake a mile away. Bands who have recently packed the larger halls in Chicago include Rush, Dream Theater and The Police. Several smaller prog-friendly venues are opening in Chicago and its suburbs, such as the Arcada Theater in St. Charles. Carl Palmer Band recently played there, and Steve Hackett will play this fall. http://www.oshows.com/ Returning 70's bands throughout the Midwest USA have found enthusiastic and receptive audiences at many summertime festivals. I've seen Blue Oyster Cult, Savoy Brown and many other mainstays of the 1970s at events such as Naperville Ribfest. Daryl Struermer played several local fairs last season. So no, rock isn't dying or dead, but it is changing. The bad news is that the very large venues of yesterday don't hold nearly so many shows as they used to, and marijuana use is very much clamped down at these, unlike the "good old days" when you could barely see the stages!! The good news is that the equipment is better, the venues are more intimate, and a good time can still be had by everyone. Concerts are less dangerous, more fan-friendly and the quality of the music and performance is emphasized vs. doing a lot of drugs and getting wasted. I'm happy with how things are evolving. Flash are welcome anytime they want to visit Chicago!! Take care, best to Ray and Colin!
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Polymorphia ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 06 2012 Location: here Status: Offline Points: 8856 |
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Honestly, it's music. We classify it as rock'n'roll, but it does not classify itself. Even if our classifications die, the music will not.
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sherrynoland ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2010 Location: Las Vegas Status: Offline Points: 377 |
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Edited by sherrynoland - July 01 2013 at 19:41 |
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