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Poll Question: what is the best album
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2013 at 13:19
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Both.  Tony Iommi made me want to pick up a guitar.  Robert Fripp made me want to learn how to play it.  They both made me want to do evil things with it Evil Smile
so wat you are implying is that Iommi can't play guitar or that he is just a poor player
 
 
Mmmm...both?
 
 
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Both.  Tony Iommi made me want to pick up a guitar.  Robert Fripp made me want to learn how to play it.  They both made me want to do evil things with it Evil Smile
so wat you are implying is that Iommi can't play guitar or that he is just a poor player
 
 
Mmmm...both?
 
 
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Wow, actually neither Confused

Fripp is my favourite guitarist and Tony my second.  My point was seeing Tony perform at Cal Jam '74 (on TV) made such a huge impression on me that I was inspired to pick up a guitar, 3 years later hearing Fripp amazed me at the other things a guitar could also do.  


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just make it clear everyone!!! lol
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Earendil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2013 at 18:45
I had to go with the both option on this one
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote otto pankrock Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2013 at 19:43
BOTH are among my favorites. Can't pick one over the other.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Josef_K Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2013 at 04:35
Both are incredible albums, KC is in a slight lead though... plus I hate voting for "both" in this kind of poll. Sabbath is way better when comparing the whole discography though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KingCrInuYasha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2013 at 00:26
Really hard to say. Both albums have a lot in common.

Set the bar for their genres.
Solid debuts, though both groups would later top them in subsequent efforts.
Excellent album covers.


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Originally posted by Josef_K Josef_K wrote:

Both are incredible albums, KC is in a slight lead though... plus I hate voting for "both" in this kind of poll. Sabbath is way better when comparing the whole discography though.

Wow, I think the exact opposite.  The quality of the Sabbath releases tumbled with Never Say Die and never regained their original excellence while the Crimso albums kept exploring and conquering new ground Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2013 at 00:42
So glad you have the 'both' option.  These two albums are historically significant for sure and I rate them both with 5 stars.  I've probably listened to them about as much as each other (since the late '80's).  Still I never tire from them.
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Both are incredibly iconic and important in the development of popular music, but influence aside, Court is far more consistently brilliant if you ask me. Sabbath got a whole lot better with Paranoid and onwards.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ole-the-first Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2013 at 07:43
Voted for both, though honestly I love 'In the Court...' more.
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by Josef_K Josef_K wrote:

Both are incredible albums, KC is in a slight lead though... plus I hate voting for "both" in this kind of poll. Sabbath is way better when comparing the whole discography though.

Wow, I think the exact opposite.  The quality of the Sabbath releases tumbled with Never Say Die and never regained their original excellence while the Crimso albums kept exploring and conquering new ground Wink
 
I agree with you on this......after the first few Sabbath lp's I grew tired of the whole 'heavy metal doom and gloom' thing. When I was young at college we all found the early Sabbath to be 'fun' but after a while it became boring and all of us moved on to more interesting bands.
Not knocking Sabbath btw ( I still pull out the early ones and play them now and then...) but I have always felt that beyond the obvious doom metal thing they really didn't have that much to offer me.
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Both are great but In The Court.... gets my vote. It would have been harder if it was Master Of Reality or Paranoid.
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The Court, of course.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The.Crimson.King Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2013 at 23:53
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by Josef_K Josef_K wrote:

Both are incredible albums, KC is in a slight lead though... plus I hate voting for "both" in this kind of poll. Sabbath is way better when comparing the whole discography though.

Wow, I think the exact opposite.  The quality of the Sabbath releases tumbled with Never Say Die and never regained their original excellence while the Crimso albums kept exploring and conquering new ground Wink
 
I agree with you on this......after the first few Sabbath lp's I grew tired of the whole 'heavy metal doom and gloom' thing. When I was young at college we all found the early Sabbath to be 'fun' but after a while it became boring and all of us moved on to more interesting bands.
Not knocking Sabbath btw ( I still pull out the early ones and play them now and then...) but I have always felt that beyond the obvious doom metal thing they really didn't have that much to offer me.
For me, when Ozzy left the magic left as well.  I know many Dio fans who will be throwing devil horns my way but the only post-Ozzy song I like is Neon Knights.  I know Dio was a great guy, but I much prefer his work in Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow to anything he did in Sabbath.  The 1st 5 Sabbath albums created something completely new and unique, then polished it to perfection.  To their credit it took another 10+ years for any other bands to take the doom metal genre they created and advance it any farther. 
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I have not listened to Black Sabbath's debut. Both are good covers too, but I definitely prefer King Crimson's.
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Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath on Black Sabbath is the best song since King Crimson by King Crimson on King Crimson
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KingCrInuYasha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2013 at 20:37
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

For me, when Ozzy left the magic left as well.  I know many Dio fans who will be throwing devil horns my way but the only post-Ozzy song I like is Neon Knights.  I know Dio was a great guy, but I much prefer his work in Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow to anything he did in Sabbath.  The 1st 5 Sabbath albums created something completely new and unique, then polished it to perfection.  To their credit it took another 10+ years for any other bands to take the doom metal genre they created and advance it any farther. 

Just the first five Sabbath albums? Huh. What do you think about about Sabotage, their sixth? I think that did just as much as the previous ones in shaping heavy metal.
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Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

For me, when Ozzy left the magic left as well.  I know many Dio fans who will be throwing devil horns my way but the only post-Ozzy song I like is Neon Knights.  I know Dio was a great guy, but I much prefer his work in Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow to anything he did in Sabbath.  The 1st 5 Sabbath albums created something completely new and unique, then polished it to perfection.  To their credit it took another 10+ years for any other bands to take the doom metal genre they created and advance it any farther. 

Just the first five Sabbath albums? Huh. What do you think about about Sabotage, their sixth? I think that did just as much as the previous ones in shaping heavy metal.

Ya, I gotta give Sabotage credit for what I consider Tony's greatest evil riff...Symptom of the Universe.  Looking at the whole album though, I think it was a step down in quality from the 1st 5.
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