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Poll Question: What is your favorite Ash recording from the 70s?
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    Posted: March 18 2014 at 15:01
Originally posted by BarryGlibb

That's the biggest pic of Martin Turner in the history of this Earth ...thanks for posting...he is a real hero of mine.


No worries, but i'm not sure why the pic came out so big! LOL he's a bit of an hero of mine too! Cool
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That's the biggest pic of Martin Turner in the history of this Earth ...thanks for posting...he is a real hero of mine.




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Originally posted by Tom Ozric

^^ Nice pic - thanks for posting that.
Always good to see Mart in action. Wishbone S/T is just plain AMAZING, I wouldn't change a thing on it.
New England is an album I have to keep an eye out for.


You are welcome! Smile
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^^ Nice pic - thanks for posting that.
Always good to see Mart in action. Wishbone S/T is just plain AMAZING, I wouldn't change a thing on it.
New England is an album I have to keep an eye out for.
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Argus
A hand held over a candle in angst fuelled bravado. A carbon trail scores a moist stretched palm. Trapped in the indecision of another fine menu. This is the story so far.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote clarkpegasus4001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 15:44
It was a choice between the 1st album and NE. I went for New England because I love Laurie Wisefield's solo's. He is my fave Wishbone Ash guitarist.
I used to play in a Wishbone Ash tribute band before forming a Budgie tribute band. In fact Martin Turner is a personal friend of mine i'm pleased to say. Here he is playing on my old Rickenbacker 4001 in the studio, which he borrowed for his "Argus Through The Looking Glass" album that he released with his current band. I have not been active on this forum for a long toime so forgive me if you've seen this before!


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Originally posted by BarryGlibb



Originally posted by Tom Ozric

^ Yep, sh*t, that's the one.........just got my batch of LP's in the mail today. First album I put on - Wishbone. It looks legit, has the acetate tracks plus some extra studio material from the 'Pilgrimage' sessions. The tracks are significantly different enough from the debut proper to be another special listen for me. I didn't expect it to be a b##t.....

Oh dear.  What gives the "First Lights" LP away as being a b**t are the extra tracks that are lifted directly from the Pilgrimage album.....these are not on the legitimate CD release of "First Light"....oh an the added "s"  to "Light" also hints it being a suspect release.

To be honest, when I made my selections from an updated list of 'vinyl availables', I thought " yay, First Light on LP "      
I just assumed that the extra 's' on 'light' was just a typo.....
How many times has anyone heard Genesis 'Nursery Cryme' referred to as 'Nursery Crymes'......?
BTW, the volume control of my stereo has to be cranked up really high (mid 20's...whatever that means...) to have a decent listening volume.......(no, I'm not deaf..... )......
I don't wilfully purchase b##ts, though my lack of knowledge on certain vinyl issues hampers me somewhat, and excitement kicks in and it mostly pans out in favour of me (and the artist.....). I'd give a few bob to Mart and his buddies should I ever get a chance to speak with him in person.............
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I have to admit - the vocal version of 'Alone' is just superb - love the emphasis on the arpeggio guitaring. These guys must've been onto something special back in the day.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BarryGlibb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2014 at 04:48
Originally posted by Tom Ozric

^ Yep, sh*t, that's the one.........just got my batch of LP's in the mail today. First album I put on - Wishbone. It looks legit, has the acetate tracks plus some extra studio material from the 'Pilgrimage' sessions. The tracks are significantly different enough from the debut proper to be another special listen for me. I didn't expect it to be a b##t.....

Oh dear.  What gives the "First Lights" LP away as being a b**t are the extra tracks that are lifted directly from the Pilgrimage album.....these are not on the legitimate CD release of "First Light"....oh an the added "s"  to "Light" also hints it being a suspect release.


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^ Yep, sh*t, that's the one.........just got my batch of LP's in the mail today. First album I put on - Wishbone. It looks legit, has the acetate tracks plus some extra studio material from the 'Pilgrimage' sessions. The tracks are significantly different enough from the debut proper to be another special listen for me. I didn't expect it to be a b##t.....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BarryGlibb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2014 at 03:32
Originally posted by Tom Ozric

Originally posted by BarryGlibb

^Tom....
If you drooling over their debut you should now buy the album "First Light".
"First Light" was discovered by WA's single most ardent fan as an acetate pressing in approx. 2007. The band recorded this acetate before their debut album in 1970 and was used as a way to get a record deal. It has most songs from the debut but also has probably their greatest track that was never ever released; that track is called "Roads of Day to Day" and this track is astonishing.
The fan was able to get all previous members of WA on board and released it on CD in 2008. For an acetate recording it is amazing quality.
Go buy "First Light" now and get back to me about <span style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;">"Roads of Day to Day" .......I still cannot believe that they did not re record this for their debut......it should have been a monster hit.....it should have been released as a single in 2008.</span>
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Just got this 'First Light' on order as an LP !! Syn-Phonic has copies of it fresh in-stock so without hesitation.......
Still obsessing over S/T - the first 5 minutes of 'Handy' is some of the most inspired music I've heard for ages.....

Hey Tom....I hope you didn't buy the vinyl LP called First Lights, I have a horrible feeling that it is a b**tleg.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2014 at 17:12
^ Green Acres - ???
Oh, my boss loved Wishbone S/T - esp. side 2 !!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TODDLER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2014 at 09:03
Originally posted by Tom Ozric

Well, currently got 'Pilgrimage' on - up to track 2, side 2 - 'Valediction'. Just lent my LP of the debut to my boss at work. I find out tomorrow if he liked it or not. He knows them, has an album, but not the debut.....he freaked out when I was familiar with Atomic Rooster and so did I when he mentioned them !!! Lent him 'Death Walks Behind You' and he was impressed, though he has grown out of that 70's mindset (musically speaking).
Your boss listens to Atomic Rooster? No sight of Progressive Rock in "Green Acres".
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Well, currently got 'Pilgrimage' on - up to track 2, side 2 - 'Valediction'. Just lent my LP of the debut to my boss at work. I find out tomorrow if he liked it or not. He knows them, has an album, but not the debut.....he freaked out when I was familiar with Atomic Rooster and so did I when he mentioned them !!! Lent him 'Death Walks Behind You' and he was impressed, though he has grown out of that 70's mindset (musically speaking).

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Originally posted by Andrea Cortese


Originally posted by AlanB

Wishbone Four, in hindsight, wasn't a bad album - it's just that it followed Argus and fans were expecting more. Also, the mixing/production wasn't great, and sadly the original tapes have disappeared so producing a cleaner version isn't possible Cry
 

What I would recommend, since you enjoyed MTs band, is getting a copy of the "Life Begins" DVD (or CD) that they recorded a few years back. It includes renditions of what are (IMO) the four standout songs from Wishbone Four, so if you have that you probably wouldn't need the album.

 

PS. Locked in really is dire though!

I'll give W4 another listen.
Probably you're right and the problem is just that it's in between two terrific records (Argus and There's the Rub).


I think you are both on the money. I recall reading somewhere that Wishbone Four was targeted by their label as being the album to break WA into the mainstream. It was to be strongly pushed by the studio, but whether they made the effort and it fell through, or it was panned early by fans/critics and they dropped plans for strong support I'm not too clear on. I just know that they were never given the airplay that could have broadened their scope of popularity. Is that really important? To the band itself, obvious answer is yes. But I wonder if toiling along in a degree of anonymity(they are widely known as "the best band you've never heard of")didn't make their efforts stronger???
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Post Options Post Options   Quote oldrok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2014 at 18:35
Originally posted by BarryGlibb

^Tom....
If you drooling over their debut you should now buy the album "First Light".
"First Light" was discovered by WA's single most ardent fan as an acetate pressing in approx. 2007. The band recorded this acetate before their debut album in 1970 and was used as a way to get a record deal. It has most songs from the debut but also has probably their greatest track that was never ever released; that track is called "Roads of Day to Day" and this track is astonishing.
The fan was able to get all previous members of WA on board and released it on CD in 2008. For an acetate recording it is amazing quality.
Go buy "First Light" now and get back to me about <span style=": rgba255, 255, 255, 0;">"Roads of Day to Day" .......I still cannot believe that they did not re record this for their debut......it should have been a monster hit.....it should have been released as a single in 2008.</span>
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Interesting. I'm a gonna have to dig into "First Light". It's always very cool to think you really know the works of a band and then come to find out there was one tucked in there that you didn't know of, and then rediscover their "newness" again. Awesome!!

A couple of mentions of Front Page News in posts above. I agree, a good listen also. I've always really liked the song "Diamond Jack", and always thought it would have been a good single. FPN in general was a very commercial sounding effort to me. I don't mean that as a negative, as there were some excellent tracks to it. Just had very slick packaging and overall mix, with just a tad of pop to it.

No Smoke Without Fire had the track "Anger in Harmony" which featured the "dueling" dual lead guitar ending that I've always thought of as the band's last truly great tune, but that's just my taste though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2014 at 13:39
New England is excellent indeed. Love those contrasts beteen hard rockers and softer parts as in the first two songs.
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I have a special thing for "New England", the first Wishbone Ash album I heard. I was immediately grabbed by the hard rocker "Runaway" and loved how it was contrasted by a track like "By Candlelight"

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^ Surely some fine words there, Toddler !! Couldn't agree more
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Post Options Post Options   Quote TODDLER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2014 at 09:32
"The Pilgrim" and particularly the live version on Live Dates is one of their most progressive pieces. The piece opens with a ambient style that begins with a distant guitar harmony combined with rolling of drum sticks on cymbals. That equals prog. Then the piece develops into quick stops forming a time signature which is in the vain of early YES. Then the vocal harmonies come in and that entire section is outstanding. The way it was written and the feeling which goes into it. Just after the vocal section ends...a burning guitar solo is storming through the speakers and it just spins my head around after all these years of listening to Wishbone Ash. The piece is very progressive , guiding you through sections..and again..this is definitely Progressive Rock. "The King Will Come" was  vocally difficult to pull off. I haven't heard one live recording where one of the members doesn't accidently go sharp or flat. Getting those harmonies to sound fluent takes hours of vocal practice. It's best to practice without the instruments for a few hrs just to master the sound effect of what you're vision gives you. On the studio version they sing it perfect, but on the live versions one or two of the vocalists tend to go sharp or flat. Try pulling that song off vocally while traveling the road and being forced to perform it 3 or 4 times a week. It would take some very seasoned vocalists to master the song ...if for example someone decided to re-record it. Think about it. Wishbone Ash were intimidating/scary in the early 70's.

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