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Poll Question: What is your favorite Ash recording from the 70s?
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    Posted: February 05 2014 at 05:01
There's no context with Argus, but there's a bunch of good songs even on Front Page News which is still wth no votes. Despite the very bad cover sleeve, a song like "Surface to Air" deserves some love IMO. 
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Thought I'd give some love for Pilgrimage. A flawed album but with plenty of strong material. Vas Dis, The Pilgrim, Valediction, Lullabye and Alone are all great with that unique early Ash combination of dual guitar heavy rock plus folk and a bit of jazz. And I love the cover which reflects the mood of the afore-mentioned songs perfectly. The only mis-steps are the two dull generic "boogie" tracks which stand out like a sore thumb IMHO.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2014 at 07:13
Originally posted by Cactus Choir

Thought I'd give some love for Pilgrimage. A flawed album but with plenty of strong material. Vas Dis, The Pilgrim, Valediction, Lullabye and Alone are all great with that unique early Ash combination of dual guitar heavy rock plus folk and a bit of jazz. And I love the cover which reflects the mood of the afore-mentioned songs perfectly. The only mis-steps are the two dull generic "boogie" tracks which stand out like a sore thumb IMHO.
Effectively I'm used to skip the last track. 
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I quite like Jail Bait - and it's still a concert favourite today.

I agree about skipping the last track though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2014 at 10:07
No context at all.

Argus easily wins the game.

There's the Rub comes as close second.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2014 at 18:43
Context - contest ??   
I am really obsessing over the debut at this stage. Just love it, even their standard 'boogie' tracks kick ass. Side 2 is where it's at for me, I prefer it to Argus.......
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2014 at 05:38
^^^

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Post Options Post Options   Quote presdoug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2014 at 07:49
Originally posted by octopus-4

There's no context with Argus, but there's a bunch of good songs even on Front Page News which is still wth no votes. Despite the very bad cover sleeve, a song like "Surface to Air" deserves some love IMO. 
yeah, i quite like Front Page News. It deserves some recognition.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BarryGlibb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 03:57
IMHO after 40 years of listening and appreciating them.......

There's the Rub (5*) > Argus (5*) > Live Dates (5*) > New England (4.5*) > Wishbone Ash (4*) > Pilgrimage (4*) = No Smoke Without Fire (4*) > Wishbone Four (3*) > Front Page News (2.5*) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locked In (1*)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 04:15
^ 40 YEARS !! Well, I take those ratings as 'kosher' - most titles there are on my 'wants list'. Don't think I can go wrong.
Again, been salivating over the debut - just *adore* it. Starts out great, ends BRILLIANTLY. I doubt they can top the debut (in my world...).

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andrea Cortese Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2014 at 05:41
Originally posted by BarryGlibb

IMHO after 40 years of listening and appreciating them.......

There's the Rub (5*) > Argus (5*) > Live Dates (5*) > New England (4.5*) > Wishbone Ash (4*) > Pilgrimage (4*) = No Smoke Without Fire (4*) > Wishbone Four (3*) > Front Page News (2.5*) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Locked In (1*)

Well, I agree on the first three studio records you mentioned. New England gets third place after Argus and There's The Rub.Clap

I don't like Wishbone Four.

Locked In it was a waste of money.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote menawati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2014 at 16:56
Definitely Argus but Phoenix off the debut is my favourite song of theirs.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2014 at 23:43
I'm still drooling over the debut - love everything about it - and I also got LP's of 'Pilgrimage' and 'There's The Rub' at a recent record fair and love them both - the track 'Vas Dis' is probably the best I've heard from the 5 LP's I now have.....
.....but something's really special about the debut........
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BarryGlibb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2014 at 04:45
^Tom....

If you drooling over their debut you should now buy the album "First Light".

"First Light" was discovered by WA's single most ardent fan as an acetate pressing in approx. 2007. The band recorded this acetate before their debut album in 1970 and was used as a way to get a record deal. It has most songs from the debut but also has probably their greatest track that was never ever released; that track is called "Roads of Day to Day" and this track is astonishing.

The fan was able to get all previous members of WA on board and released it on CD in 2008. For an acetate recording it is amazing quality.

Go buy "First Light" now and get back to me about "Roads of Day to Day" .......I still cannot believe that they did not re record this for their debut......it should have been a monster hit.....it should have been released as a single in 2008.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2014 at 14:26
^ Right - I'll see what I can do - thanks for the info. Anything to do with the debut *must* be acquired. I run the risk of 'burning' the album out from listening too much to it.
The sound of 'Pilgrimage' is amazing - Marty thrashing a beautifully toned Rickenbacker throughout is notable.
The track 'F.U.B.B.' from There's The Rub is awesome, so is 'Persephone'.
I don't like what I read about Wishbone 4 and Locked In, but some of the albums afterwards I'll be keeping an eye out for.
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First Light is certainly worth getting. It has alternative versions of every track from the debut album except Phoenix, plus a version of Alone from Pilgrimage which is longer and has vocals, plus the song BarryGlibb was raving about , and an unreleased instrumental.
 
Of the albums after There's The Rub, I would say New England and No Smoke Without Fire are the best.
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^^ Wishbone Four is underrated cos they went to short tracks mode but highly recommend Ballad Of A Beacon, and Everybody Needs A Friend

I love Front Page News too, Laurie Wisefield's contribution to the later WA sound is praiseworthy for sure

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2014 at 00:16
Originally posted by AlanB

First Light is certainly worth getting. It has alternative versions of every track from the debut album except Phoenix, plus a version of Alone from Pilgrimage which is longer and has vocals, plus the song BarryGlibb was raving about , and an unreleased instrumental.


 

Of the albums after There's The Rub, I would say New England and No Smoke Without Fire are the best.
^ These are the 2 I had in mind . I can't believe that I had skipped on this band for 20-odd years
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 17 2014 at 00:24
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^^ Wishbone Four is underrated cos they went to short tracks mode but highly recommend Ballad Of A Beacon, and Everybody Needs A Friend
I love Front Page News too, Laurie Wisefield's contribution to the later WA sound is praiseworthy for sure


Well, I'd probably get this fourth album if/when I see it (on LP) - I am familiar with 'Ballad...' from the Live Concerts album.
Darn it, I wish I had paid more attention when I saw MT's Wishbone perform live last year at BB King's whilst I was on holiday in NYC. I was there for Nektar, and MT and his band came on after and I hadn't ever before heard a note of WA. I stuck around to see what all the fuss was about this band and was sold that night . I really thought they were a 'bog-standard' blues/boogie band with twin guitars. Boy, was I wrong..........even the way they do their more simpler 'rockers' just ticks all the right boxes for me. As you can tell, I've gone all WA mad
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Wishbone Four, in hindsight, wasn't a bad album - it's just that it followed Argus and fans were expecting more. Also, the mixing/production wasn't great, and sadly the original tapes have disappeared so producing a cleaner version isn't possible Cry
 
What I would recommend, since you enjoyed MTs band, is getting a copy of the "Life Begins" DVD (or CD) that they recorded a few years back. It includes renditions of what are (IMO) the four standout songs from Wishbone Four, so if you have that you probably wouldn't need the album.
 
PS. Locked in really is dire though!
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