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    Posted: July 31 2013 at 05:24
Im just curious, since both dabbles in both heavy music, and ambient, and both have created serious black metal but also serious dark ambient and folk album, both are sort of one man projects, with some help from outsiders, Ulver is more collaborative thn Burzum,  both are norwegian, 

another reason i do this i because i am very nervous and anticipates to search and listen to the music of Burzum, for various-obvious reasons, i have a hard time not connecting the music and the private man behind the music.


Is there similarities between the music of Ulver and of Burzums?
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I'm obsessed with Ulver right now, but I'll not vote since I haven't heard anything from Burzum.
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This is probably going to be a one sided poll Agi, either way let me be the one to cast the first vote for Ulver.

You're right though - especially back when these "bands" started out, they were very similar sounding. Not in a copy paste type of way, but they were both part of the first pioneering wave of Norwegian black metal. Their first albums are today thought of as many proggers think about early albums by KC, Genesis and Yes.
Then Ulver veered into all kinds of experiments, where I personally have a huge preference for the electronic albums - culminating in Perdition City. After this post metal, avantguarde trickery and everything under the sun were suddenly part of their repertoire.

Conversely, after the first breakthrough Burzum got imprisoned for murder, where he then proceeded to go completely mad with racism. He went from instrumental black metal, to ambient and then realized that all his music really amounted to was merely a branching of the blues and jazz conjured up by the black slaves. Well he couldn't live with that, meaning he started making indigenous Norwegian folk musicLOL

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They probably speak to very different audiences. Ulver have long ago lost their black metal credibility and Im not sure how many metal fans listen to them these days (besides their first couple of releases), while Burzum are usually highly regarded among extreme metal fans.
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I have not heard Ulver, but I have one of the ambient/electronic Burzum albums and enjoy it on occasion. I know what you mean about having to disassociate the music from the man behind it. Although the album I have is instrumental, the liner notes contain poetry that is very anti-Christian, with thinly veiled white supremacism throughout, which is indeed disturbing. It might be why I haven't bought any of his other records.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tamijo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2013 at 08:47
Originally posted by mister nobody

I'm obsessed with Ulver right now, but I'll not vote since I haven't heard anything from Burzum.
Obsessed may be a bit strong, but otherwise this.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2013 at 11:10
Originally posted by thellama73

I have not heard Ulver, but I have one of the ambient/electronic Burzum albums and enjoy it on occasion. I know what you mean about having to disassociate the music from the man behind it. Although the album I have is instrumental, the liner notes contain poetry that is very anti-Christian, with thinly veiled white supremacism throughout, which is indeed disturbing. It might be why I haven't bought any of his other records.
I don't mind anti-religious writing, the more supremacist thing on the other hands leave me cold, and  also angsty and shivering, and dry-mouthed, but that also is my reaction to religious preaching also, religious  conservatism , my rant against Burzum is that he gives paganism and norse mythology bad PR, and hard to make you say that you are interested in Aasatro (aasa faith) aka norse paganism. 

music with norse mythology themes is interesting, but i avoid it if the bands have any links to supremacist, Vigrid or any scare mongering things, i am against church burnings also,  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote thellama73 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2013 at 11:16
Originally posted by aginor

Originally posted by thellama73

I have not heard Ulver, but I have one of the ambient/electronic Burzum albums and enjoy it on occasion. I know what you mean about having to disassociate the music from the man behind it. Although the album I have is instrumental, the liner notes contain poetry that is very anti-Christian, with thinly veiled white supremacism throughout, which is indeed disturbing. It might be why I haven't bought any of his other records.
I don't mind anti-religious writing, the more supremacist thing on the other hands leave me cold, and  also angsty and shivering, and dry-mouthed, but that also is my reaction to religious preaching also, religious  conservatism , my rant against Burzum is that he gives paganism and norse mythology bad PR, and hard to make you say that you are interested in Aasatro (aasa faith) aka norse paganism. 

music with norse mythology themes is interesting, but i avoid it if the bands have any links to supremacist, Vigrid or any scare mongering things, i am against church burnings also,  


I agree, Norse Paganism is very interesting and it's a shame so many of its modern practitioners are essentially Nazis.

I don't mind anti-religious writing either, except when the theme is killing people who disagree with you. That I mind.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2013 at 11:22
Originally posted by thellama73

Originally posted by aginor

Originally posted by thellama73

I have not heard Ulver, but I have one of the ambient/electronic Burzum albums and enjoy it on occasion. I know what you mean about having to disassociate the music from the man behind it. Although the album I have is instrumental, the liner notes contain poetry that is very anti-Christian, with thinly veiled white supremacism throughout, which is indeed disturbing. It might be why I haven't bought any of his other records.
I don't mind anti-religious writing, the more supremacist thing on the other hands leave me cold, and  also angsty and shivering, and dry-mouthed, but that also is my reaction to religious preaching also, religious  conservatism , my rant against Burzum is that he gives paganism and norse mythology bad PR, and hard to make you say that you are interested in Aasatro (aasa faith) aka norse paganism. 

music with norse mythology themes is interesting, but i avoid it if the bands have any links to supremacist, Vigrid or any scare mongering things, i am against church burnings also,  


I agree, Norse Paganism is very interesting and it's a shame so many of its modern practitioners are essentially Nazis.

I don't mind anti-religious writing either, except when the theme is killing people who disagree with you. That I mind.
Yeah i'm with you on that part also, murdering people because you disagree with their opinions, belief and life style is morbid, crazy and ethically wrong on all accounts, only logical and rational critsisme, discussions and find a common moral ground is my leading stars of how i want to live. 

I find the story of the Ginnungagap to be the most interesting thing, that everything was created from Fire and Ice, sounds eery close to the Big Bang, Fom the coldest ice and the inferno of fire was the world created, when Ymir roamed the continents and that giant cow, 


Edited by aginor - July 31 2013 at 11:25
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Ulver, though I do find Burzum enjoyable.
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