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Rick Robson
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 03 2013 Location: Rio de Janeiro Status: Offline Points: 1607 |
Topic: Modern prog Posted: February 01 2014 at 10:17 |
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I agree with you that nowadays, much more than yesterdays, progressive rock is progressive music for rock music (as a genre).
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"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
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uduwudu
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
Posted: February 01 2014 at 00:03 | ||
One upon a time I did try out some newer prog and one was a neo-band. Oddly, I had to return it (them - the others were earlier Tool albums that ... did little for me). Had to get some Camel instead. All was then well... It annoyed me that I did retreat to safe ground. But a latter day band that really did a lot for me was Tortoise, to me very progressive though not a prog band as such. They on the archive?, I'll see. I suppose it's what some one has to say as well as how they say it. In many ways this illustrates the difference between a new pog release and an older one. Newer prog is far more rock oriented and uses modern ideas (no guitar solos on Tool albums like later Metallica. Why I dunno, but there we go). It's a culture identity thing. |
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GhostPony750
Forum Newbie Joined: December 24 2013 Location: Somewhere Status: Offline Points: 25 |
Posted: January 05 2014 at 00:57 | ||
While I mostly like the old classics, there are good stuff on both side. Citizen Cain is a great exemple for the new era.
Also, I usually prefer the band's first albums, so I'm not really in the new era. Saga, for exemple: Their first album is my favorite, so much great songs here. Their newest album, 20/20, got 11th in Germany's chart. It became so popular that Justing Timberlake stole the idea for the album cover. But I still don't like this album, except a few songs. Seriously, Justing Timberlake stole the cover and the title! xD Saga's 20/20 (2012): http://i.imgur.com/zYgFD.jpg J.T.'s 20/20 (2013): http://img2-1.timeinc.net/ew/i/2013/02/07/Justin-Timberlake.jpg |
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: January 04 2014 at 23:18 | ||
I wouldn't say most musicians play CRAP. I think, especially professionals who have been in the line for a long time would have a modicum of competence and this goes for most walks of life? You can't suck bad at something and still be stuck doing it for a really long time without people firing you out of jobs, unless you are damn lucky. But only a small minority of musicians are great. Which is fine because greatness is not mean to be within the reach of the majority; then it wouldn't be worthy of the epithet.
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7850 |
Posted: January 04 2014 at 08:44 | ||
Actually, as negative as this sounds this may be true...well at least to my ears. I think it's a very small % base of who is considered to be a quality musician given how huge and dynamic the music scene is. But then again I could be venturing into subjectively because this is purely based on my experience and not yours. Anyway. I'm grateful for the quality musicians I've discovered both from the retro periods and of course MODERN cause its not all crap. |
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dr prog
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2511 |
Posted: December 31 2013 at 17:06 | ||
Most musicians play crap music. Whether you play an instrument or not it doesn't change that you were born with crap taste and no adventure and no creativety and no feel for composition
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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mongol
Forum Newbie Joined: December 08 2013 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 2 |
Posted: December 31 2013 at 05:22 | ||
Not sure how you define "my time", "my own" [music]. That's a mindset too many people get stuck in, and the only music they know is what they listened to growing up. Once they became adults, they basically stopped listening to anything new, and can only identity with the music they listened to in/around high school age. When you define something as your time or your music, then the possibility exists that in the future you will fall into the same trap. Maybe in the sixties/early 70s, "don't trust anyone over 30 era", that was reasonable, but I don't think prog is made for specific age groups these days. Consider the age of the members of the bands you mentioned. Good music is good music, whenever it was made. I like anything from Opeth, Gorguts and Dream Theater (going to the March concert baby!) to the newly arrived Jan Dukes de Grey Sorcerer/Mice which I'm going to spin now :) |
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HemispheresOfXanadu
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 28 2012 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 4339 |
Posted: December 30 2013 at 19:15 | ||
Well, the other day I listened to Gorguts, Beyond Creation, Jethro Tull, Yes, Steely Dan and Atheist, so... no, the day it was written or recorded doesn't matter much to me.
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King Crimson776
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 12 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2779 |
Posted: December 30 2013 at 18:01 | ||
I think formal music education is a good thing. I was saying that getting a music education (and liking it) would probably only worsen ones opinion on modern music. Also I meant that telling someone to "get a music education" is one of the more juvenile youtube style comments you see on music vids.
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7850 |
Posted: December 30 2013 at 09:13 | ||
Well lets forget about the negative Nancy sh*t here for a bit.
I actually like to know what modern Prog people here are enjoying these days and how others here feel about the Neo/Prog genre. Personally, I think it's great and should be deemed or called Neo/Prog because I do believe it is an extension of the symphonic Prog genre, but with a more modern sound. There has been some controversy about this, but even though some artists hate the term 'neo/Prog' I think it is highly relevant. |
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Rick Robson
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 03 2013 Location: Rio de Janeiro Status: Offline Points: 1607 |
Posted: December 30 2013 at 06:32 | ||
Many of your generation think that a musician can be a genius without having a musical education, OK ! But this musician will be a much better "genious" of the music if he HAS a musical education. |
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"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7850 |
Posted: December 23 2013 at 09:22 | ||
I totally feel sorry for the guy. I almost want to put out a big list for him to check out, so he could see how sophisticated, beautiful and down right creative modern Prog is but with a really blantantly, silly response like he said above I feel my help would do very little or make any head way for him. Pretty ironic how doctors can get really sick too. |
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King Crimson776
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 12 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2779 |
Posted: December 23 2013 at 05:59 | ||
^ Getting a 'musical education' won't change a thing in this case. In fact, it would reaffirm his biases since modern music tends to reject traditional values (which includes the idea that you need an education to make and understand music). Also that's just a really lame thing that kids say on the internet.
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Gallifrey
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 15 2011 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 588 |
Posted: December 17 2013 at 23:25 | ||
Please tell me this is bait. If so, 9/10 made me reply. If not, dude you really need to get a musical education or be quiet.
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http://thedarkthird.bandcamp.com/
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dr wu23
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20630 |
Posted: December 17 2013 at 23:18 | ||
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7850 |
Posted: December 17 2013 at 21:30 | ||
Well then let's just do away with the whole concept of 'influence' and have every musician out there start from absolute scratch. . By scratch, no outside successful and creative Prog band influences at all for the aspiring Prog artist. Yeah. I bet he/she is gonna sound just amazing. |
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Horizons
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 20 2011 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 16952 |
Posted: December 17 2013 at 16:42 | ||
Must suck having to retype that every time it could fit ;[
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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dr prog
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2511 |
Posted: December 17 2013 at 16:12 | ||
I just wanna say one thing. Music doesn't progress. Only
Songs progress. New bands rarely ever can make a really strong composition. They have too many crappy post 1980 influences. They lack character and composition. They resort to inventing new styles of music or copying old compositions to get somewhere Edited by dr prog - December 17 2013 at 16:18 |
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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progbethyname
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 30 2012 Location: HiFi Headmania Status: Offline Points: 7850 |
Posted: December 17 2013 at 01:39 | ||
I wonder if TOWER OF SILENCE by ANUBIS would knock him out or as he said 'shut him up?' They are from Australia. A song like THE HOLY INNOCENT is pretty incredible. Epic, beautiful and powerful. |
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Rick Robson
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 03 2013 Location: Rio de Janeiro Status: Offline Points: 1607 |
Posted: December 15 2013 at 05:52 | ||
That's what I forgot to ask him, by the way. and let us think that all "genius era" will have it's coming back, it's a matter of life, eras always change, in this case from "bad" to "good"... and form "good" to "bad".. and so on.
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