Modern prog

altaeria wrote: Gallifrey wrote:  I actually think 70's prog is notoriously overrated trite for the most part, and I really don't see what it has to do with the great stuff coming out today. I think it's just the massive circlejerk this board has for "classic" prog ...  I even think that Neo-Prog is better than Symphonic. And there goes your credibility

One upon a time I did try out some newer prog and one was a neo-band. Oddly, I had to return it (them - the  others were earlier Tool albums that ... did little for me). Had to get some Camel instead. All was then well... It annoyed me that I did retreat to safe ground. But a latter day band that really did a lot for me was Tortoise, to me very progressive though not a prog band as such. They on the archive?, I'll see. I suppose it's what some one has to say as well as how they say it.

In many ways this illustrates the difference between a new pog release and an older one. Newer prog is far more rock oriented and uses modern ideas (no guitar solos on Tool albums like later Metallica. Why I dunno, but there we go). It's a culture identity thing.

I wouldn't say most musicians play CRAP.  I think, especially professionals who have been in the line for a long time would have a modicum of competence and this goes for most walks of life?  You can't suck bad at something and still be stuck doing it for a really long time without people firing you out of jobs, unless you are damn lucky.  But only a small minority of musicians are great.  Which is fine because greatness is not mean to be within the reach of the majority; then it wouldn't be worthy of the epithet.

Most musicians play crap music. Whether you play an instrument or not it doesn't change that you were born with crap taste and no adventure and no creativety and no feel for composition

Well, the other day I listened to Gorguts, Beyond Creation, Jethro Tull, Yes, Steely Dan and Atheist, so... no, the day it was written or recorded doesn't matter much to me. 

Well lets forget about the negative Nancy sh*t here for a bit.
I actually like to know what modern Prog people here are enjoying these days and how others here feel about the Neo/Prog genre. Personally, I think it's great and should be deemed or called Neo/Prog because I do believe it is an extension of the symphonic Prog genre, but with a more modern sound. There has been some controversy about this, but even though some artists hate the term 'neo/Prog' I think it is highly relevant.

King Crimson776 wrote: ^ Getting a 'musical education' won't change a thing in this case. In fact, it would reaffirm his biases since modern music tends to reject traditional values (which includes the idea that you need an education to make and understand music). Also that's just a really lame thing that kids say on the internet.

I totally feel sorry for the guy. I almost want to put out a big list for him to check out, so he could see how sophisticated, beautiful and down right creative modern Prog is but with a really blantantly, silly response like he said above I feel my help would do very little or make any head way for him.   
Pretty ironic how doctors can get really sick too.

dr prog wrote: I just wanna say one thing. Music doesn't progress. Only Songs progress. New bands rarely ever can make a really strong composition. They have too many crappy post 1980 influences. They lack character and composition. They resort to inventing new styles of music or copying old compositions to get somewhere

dr prog wrote: I just wanna say one thing. Music doesn't progress. Only Songs progress. New bands rarely ever can make a really strong composition. They have too many crappy post 1980 influences. They lack character and composition. They resort to inventing new styles of music or copying old compositions to get somewhere

Well then let's just do away with the whole concept of 'influence' and have every musician out there start from absolute scratch. . By scratch, no outside successful and creative Prog band influences at all for the aspiring Prog artist.
Yeah. I bet he/she is gonna sound just amazing.

I just wanna say one thing. Music doesn't progress. Only
Songs progress. New bands rarely ever can make a really strong composition. They have too many crappy post 1980 influences. They lack character and composition. They resort to inventing new styles of music or copying old compositions to get somewhere

Edited by dr prog - December 17 2013 at 16:18

dr wu23 wrote: dr prog wrote: progbethyname wrote: In the great words sung by UFO " Doctor Doctor please!!!!!''   Hit me with something great then I'll shuddup Why don't you hit us with your great bands from that era so we can critique your choices. Got game?