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    Posted: Today at 06:20
When stereo became popular in the 1960s many mono recordings were electronically enhanced to make a pseudo stereophonic image (called pseudo-stereo, quasi-stereo or rechanneled stereo) since they were recorded and mixed in monophonic, the result was never satisfactory.Just as a stereo recording for CD pressing will be different to that for an LP pressing, the balance and EQ of a mono mix is different to a stereo mix.

In mono pressings the music is reproduced in the horizontal movement of the stylus in the groove with no vertical movement, whereas the stereo reproduces the (L+R) in the horizontal and (L-R) in the vertical... that is the stereo grooves are cut at an angle of 45° so when you play a mono pressing with a stereo cartridge you only reproduce a (L+R) signal. Which is all well and good.

The problem with playing mono sources on modern stereo equipment is any differences (noise + distortion) between left and right are exaggerated since any vertical movement caused by dust and scratches is still reproduced. Back in the day a mono recording would generally sound better when you pushed the "Mono" button on the pre-amp as this ensured that both channels received the same signal.


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There's nothing inherently good about mono as opposed to stereo - however, in the 60s, mono recordings often offered a more believable sound.  In the case of the Beatles, for example, the stereo mix was more of an afterthought, and the main work went into the mono mix (this according to Geoff Emerick, engineer on many of the Beatles' albums).  Stereo imaging in those days was not as sophisticated as it was just a few years later - the hard left/right panning of the instruments was very noticeable and not really representative of what the band actually sounded like.  So when I'm offered a choice between mono and stereo for an album recorded during that time, I'll... aw hell I'll just get both.
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^ I guess they are OK for people who can only afford one speaker or who do not clean their ears Tongue

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As long as both of the mixes are well done I usually don't care. But if I had to choose I'll choose Stereo for most albums.
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Well some jazz albums are pretty sweet in mono. Miles Davis Round About Midnight is pretty amazing.

But in general I am not a mono fan...
      
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I never understood what's special about mono albums Ermm
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 17:40
Need to further investigate but really sounds interesting, of course to fully appreciate mono recordings on vinyl its best to have a mono cartridge. I would not spend the money for mono a cartridge as I have so very few mono albums. Although they do sound glorious.

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MONOCHROME Recordings Takes Vinyl Exclusivity to New Extremes


By Michael Fremer • Posted: Aug 19, 2014


Monochrome Recordings is a new vinyl label with a seriously exclusive business model.
The live performances will be "...captured entirely with velocity microphones through Altec pre-amplification." The sessions will then be mixed to a Full-Track Ampex recorder with Westinghouse tube circuitry on Scotch Dynarange tape. Mastering will be ​via a Scully Lathe and Westrex cutter head with pressing done on a Finebilt hand loaded vinyl press.

While the first release originated as a 24 bit digital recording, future recordings will be done on a restored tubed Ampex full-track recorder. The producer also says that all sessions are recorded in stereo in the digital domain using a pair of Neumann SDC's through Grace pre-amplification.

Only 100 copies of each record will be sold at a price that has yet to be announced.

The label recently announced its first vinyl issue: a solo piano recording by jazz pianist Doug Carn whose 1970's albums on the Black Jazz Records label are now considered cult classics by jazz aficionados. Carn has worked with Shirley Horn, Stanley Turrentine, and Lou Donaldson among others.

In 1971 at age 23 Carn released Infant Eyes and a year later issued Spirit of the New Land a Lee Morgan tribute. In 1973 came Revelation. But the vital energy and creativity resulting from his partnership with Jean Carn quickly faded. Now Carn is back.

The solo piano recording was produced at Hamilton Stage Studios in the new Rahway Arts District.

To pre-order or to bitch and moan email: monomono.rec@gmail.com
      
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2014 at 13:30
I keep all my pics on photobucket, it creates a link for web posting. But yea you have to first load to your PC then upload to photobucket.

At least that is what I do.
      
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^ Jose, I don't know how to post pics, I've tried once, but it failed......
I'm using my iPod so I may need to download an uploading app. (Or something like this??)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2014 at 02:33
^ Ohhh nice Tom! I listened once so far, need to listen more. Please post a pic of that album once it arrives...
      
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I've just ordered my copy of Yes' Heaven And Earth in dbl Aqua Blue vinyl
I've not yet heard a note from this album, read all the negative bashing about it and I'm really excited to hear this new offering regardless. I love (that's right - LOVE) Fly From Here (I am a fan of Buggles anyway) and I love Glass Hammer. What's not to like ???

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2014 at 19:24
^ Just search for vinyl ripping software...I have used Audacity too, I did not like it much. The noise removal features did not work well for me.
Groove Mechanic does an outstanding job for me, its made to adjust the sound from a vinyl rip.
YMMV
      
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Post Options Post Options   Quote HolyMoly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2014 at 17:14
I'm glad i read that. I just came here to bemoan how the last 2 (sealed, new) LPs I bought have a lot of excess surface noise that reminds me why I was happy when CDs came out. They're both by very small indie bands, so I don't expect top of the line mastering, but still, quite a drag. The one I got today starts out very quietly and the surface noise over that was nearly unbearable. I know it's not the end of the world, and it's not as horrible as I'm saying it is, but still, :0(

I do rip my new vinyl to my computer for daily listening, keeping the vinyl itself for "special occasions", so if there's a way to digitally clean that sh*t up, then I'm open to that.
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Hmm...interesting about Portishead, will have to look into that one for sure.

Yea ripping from vinyl is labor intensive, especially if you want to use software to remove pops, clicks and such. I have done this on some very bad albums that were not taken care of. I used to use GrooveMechanic many years ago that did a fantastic job of cleaning pops, clicks.
Think I still have the program on my PC..
      
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2014 at 01:24
Then there are those people who purchase vinyl only to rip it right away and never play the vinyl again and listen only to the digital rip. I guess they are only interested in the artwork and you can not really call them vinyl lovers?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2014 at 14:42
I have 3 boxes of vinyl from a retired Army sgt he gave me, he loved what I call American easy listening pop music. 99% I would never listen to, but do I plan to throw them away?? NEVER....somebody likes this music and would love to hear it spin again.
One day I will be able to do that for someone and make them smile...maybe go to a nursing home and set up my system and spin them some vinyl.
In the boxes are things like soundtracks...Sound of Music, Westside Story and many others like that.
      
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Meltdowner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2014 at 14:17
My father has some LP's in his collection that he found in the garbage around that time. One of them is Bob Marley's Legend that curiously is on this year's top selling vinyl albums Tongue
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2014 at 14:01
I remember seeing something on the box, when CD's started taking over (must've been around 1990) where there was a bulldozer just dumping tons of LP's into this massive crusher. I couldn't believe my eyes.....
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