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Tom Ozric
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Recently I've been spinning some 12" E.P.'s from the 80's (I don't have many), and I'm very surprised at the sound quality of them, especially when compared to the same songs that appeared on the LP proper. Cutting at 45RPM and spreading 6 or so minutes over the side definitely results in excellent depth, volume and clarity. That, or the time spent remixing and focusing on the given track is worthwhile.
And going on that theory, Soft Machine's 'Third' album would be spread over 14 sides of vinyl ( ) and definitely sound AMAZING !!! |
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Catcher10
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Kansas reissues like the Rush reissues would be really nice!! I can only imagine the cost of a new press is the barrier..
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Meltdowner
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Will they produce Kansas reissues? I just read another article about the lack of presses in the world, but somehow 13 presses appear out of the blue It's probably time someone starts thinking about producing some of those
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Catcher10
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I had read an earlier article about the purchase of these 13 presses, but did not know who bought them. QRP will have them up and running before long and pressing more vinyl for us, amazing that QRP is running 24/7. Everything I have pressed at QRP is very good quality.
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Meltdowner
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^I highly recommend that Arena album, It's actually my favorite of theirs.
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Catcher10
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Now you guys have me thinking I have to get this Arena album.....Most of the mastering done across the pond from me is very good!! The cutting and pressing is very nice with really good QC process....
I hate you guys!! (at least my wallet does)
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Meltdowner
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^ There's probably no need to have both then, at least for now. Thanks
I read your very positive review, it's pretty good especially sounding like that. The tracks are shorter but I didn't think it is commercial rock. It would be awesome if they would release others on vinyl, but I don't know if that will happen: I bought this one really cheap on the merchandise stand and they had a box full of it. That and the fact they didn't release the new one on vinyl, I think I can assume it wasn't succesful
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Tom Ozric
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The Arena LP is quite exceptional sound, very 'big'. Initially, I didn't think too highly of it, too many shorter and 'commercial', or let's say 'direct' tracks, but after a few spins ( at volume), it revealed its power and intensity. Great album. They should 'vinylise' more of their albums . |
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Meltdowner
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If Fripp approve, we have to approve them as well
I'll let you know when I get some Schulze albums on vinyl The LP says it was mastered by Optimum Mastering. They talk about vinyl pressing on their website, so it was probably pressed by them |
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Catcher10
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Ha! I just spun that KC this weekend, these Fripp approved remasters are just fantastic. You make a good point about volume per side on vinyl these days. Sure that portions of a vinyl may need to have narrower grooves due to low bass sounds or even high frequency sounds like cymbal crashes and such, but this only happens briefly and the groove can then return to a wider pattern. I don't have any vinyl where I hear that the low end has suffered because of this when I have compared the same to a CD which has no limitations apparently, actually I tend to find the CD to be thinner sounding, if that makes any sense. I think my longest 1 side vinyl is either Tubular Bells or Thick As A Brick, neither I feel suffers from any lack of low end. So I am fine when these new albums only have 15-20 minutes per side, seems to me that is more than enough room to fit what we need to hear on vinyl. And lets not forget Suppers Ready, which is brilliant sounding on vinyl........ I know there are many classical albums with 30+ min per side and even Klaus Schulze had some 31+ sides.....Everything I have read people claim they sound excellent with no inner groove distortion, which can be a problem on these long sides. Who pressed the Arena album?
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You are being very snotty and it's is very silly, don't you see this, Catcher10?
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Meltdowner
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My latest two vinyl purchases: The Arena one is 55 minute album divided between two discs but it doesn't have the large amount of space like The Endless River has. I guess it's because it has a wider groove, it sure sounds great I already said a lot about the KC remasters... so did José |
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Catcher10
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As a kid this album cover kinda freaked me out....With PG wearing that costume, I always wondered what the music was....Now I know it is wonderful!
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Catcher10
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I use my eyes.....Inspect the vinyl as best I can. Most of the record stores I go to also have TT to test drive the vinyl before purchase. The cartridge is usually a very low quality one and not in best shape, so if it plays ok I know should be pretty good once I get it home and give it a good scrubbing. Grading would be very subjective in my mind. Glad you enjoy the purchase though!
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Tom Ozric
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Usually it's just that - price reflects condition. I used to regularly haunt this chain of 2nd Hand record shops which employed a strict code-of-practice by having a grading system utilising little stickers in the top right corners of the LP cover - a gold star meant 'mint', silver star meant 'near mint', maybe odd visible scuffs etc. Then green dot was a notch below that. Yellow dot worse again. Then orange. Then blue. They also had inter-grading by placing a little 'minus' on the tiny sticker. Very pedantic, but reliable.
Otherwise, some folks at record fairs overgrade their stock - so many times their 'near mint' was a yellow dot quality. Some 'idiots' even over-price scratched records - their excuse being 'it's rare'. I don't care how rare a record is, if it's scratched, it should be minimal price |
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Ozark Soundscape
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What's the stupidest/most inaccurate grading you've seen a store give to their records? I was at half priced books today and I picked up an original Led Zeppelin 3 (among other things) for 15 bucks. I'm listening to it now; it's fairly noisy but plays through. But on the sticker where they put it's condition it says "price reflects condition." Like, what the f**k am I supposed to take from that? Either grade it or don't. I'm not mad or anything, I'm happy with the purchase, just find it confusing. Edited by Ozark Soundscape - April 25 2015 at 18:34 |
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Meltdowner
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I can imagine the strange beginning of X-1 and then the bass and drums
groovy intro in analog perfection taking my mind elsewhere. I have goose
bumps already
I listened to the Omega album yesterday and it was better than I remembered. It has great guitar work, lots of synths, delayed vocals and clear influences from Eloy (even the accented vocals are an acquired taste ), Nektar and Pink Floyd. My problem with it is one of the tracks from side B, that sounds like some kind of Space Punk, forgetable and completely out of context, and also that the first track is the best one The last track is pretty good too though |
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