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JD
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Pressing Plant ID (Runouts & labels): Q Matrix / Runout (Side A runout, etched): XBS-3629-A Q Matrix / Runout (Side B runout, etched): XBS-3629-B Q
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Jared
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David, this reminds me of an image I saw of a large record store, who in about 2005, parked a skip outside and dumped all their vinyl into it, with a sign saying 'help yourself' as they apparently needed the space...
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David_D
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times are a changin'
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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David_D
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congratulations, JD When talking about KC and vinyl, I'm very fond of my three LP's King Crimson (UK) In the Court of the Crimson King (Island, 1976 UK, 120g, a. 2000, 400) (1969) King Crimson Larks’ Tongues in Aspic (Atlantic, 1976 J, 125g, a. 2020, 400) (1973) King Crimson Red (Editions EG, 1987 US, half speed mastered, 115g, a. 2011, 500) (1974) They are all high quality releases, and in very good condition, except from Lark's Tongues cover having some yellow-brown staints from (Japanese) humidity, and Red not being particularly flat.
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JD
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I'd kill for a mint condition copy of Starless and Bible Black. Well, I mean I won't actually commit murder you understand. I do have morals. But what a treat a NM copy of that LP would be. On my list.
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Q is Quality Records in Canada, I think right? Yours is a Canadian label variant?
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JD
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Correct I just finished the first through beginning to end and am happy to report NM/NM ! Edited by JD - May 10 2022 at 14:40 |
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Catcher10
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Cool....I have all my original KC on vinyl, most sound just fine as the mastering back then was not great for King Crimson, especially In the Court, but that was a tape machine issue. The recent remastered versions all sound excellent, I'm only missing Starless and Bible Black reissue. I found a VG+ copy in Calif 2 months ago for $20, my original one is in bad shape now...All the reissues are on 200g and are flat, well done.
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Bootiful!
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David_D
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Embossed cover, nice, and Canadian releases use to have relatively hardback covers. I certainly prefer my records to play clean, but I don't mind covers to have a bit of wear (no creases though). Actually, I like when they don't look new. |
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David_D
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I'd say my KC releases sound quite okay, even more than enough dynamic on the Japanese Larks' songs - hot stuff - and in general, I like very much the releases from the 70's, or early 80's. Edited by David_D - May 11 2022 at 03:31 |
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David_D
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And what do you think in general of digital remastering, Catcher?
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Catcher10
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A rabbit hole topic/question. All new recordings are done in the digital domain, including the mastering. For the most part I have zero issue with this, do I think recordings from back in the day done on tape all analog are better? Sure some/many/most are, capturing the recording is really a mic thing. If the recording engineer is skilled at mic'ing up a band very well in the studio then that's the start of a great recording, digital or analog. Problem is most bands nowadays record via email from their home studios.... Now remastering an older all analog recording using digital program like ProTools and all that can create a terrible sounding record but done by a very good engineer can be a great sounding record as well. Remixing an older recording, like what Steven Wilson does, can make a bad older recording come to life and sound pretty special, again if done right. Mastering and cutting all records is key, from digital or tape, adding a ton of compression just sucks the life out of the music it should be outlawed! For the most part I am glad to have LPs, pretty much all my LPs trounce my CD versions from a sound point. The soundstage, depth and imaging is so much better. The CD still, probably always, has that clinical sterile sound that is tough to connect with.
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David_D
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Agree about all that, but apparently, as I've seen it, most of the digital remastering have been done by not so "very good engineer"s, or what other reasons there might have been. Regarding Steven Wilson's remixing and remastering, I can confirm that his Aqualung certainly "can make a bad older recording come to life and sound pretty special", which I've been very happy about as I missed it much. |
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^ Agree on Aqualung….the SW remix is amazing. He brought out more details with the remix.
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David_D
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Can you maybe tell me, Catcher or somebody else, 180g vinyl, or in fact all vinyl, can be thicker or thinner at the same weight, how come?
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Have you actually measured the thickness with a vernier? I'd be interested to know what the delta is. I can think of two possibilities. 1 - Density of the raw vinyl, a more dense material will have the same weight but thinner wall stock (180g records about 2.85mm) 2 - Clamping setup of the press. When the clamp closes the setting for the 'gap' may be adjusted. I think the 180g spec might be a shot size not necessarily the actual end product weight. |
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Yes, that's the only possibility I can think of, but how come? Maybe difference in production technique.
Yes, I've seen different weights, but that's not the explanation, as some records can be almost double as thick as others. The German ones are for instance mostly thin while the American thick, and it has always been like that, disregarding the weight.
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255 pages to this thread. ;-)
I think this was one of the first threads on PA, dating back to 2004. |
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Catcher10
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I don't think thick or thin matters since there are mfg tolerances for both meaning +/- allowances on thickness and weight. It's possible it's thicker but if it says 180g it should not be thick as a 200g record. Diameter of the record also has a tolerance, some records I have are a tad wider than my platter as well some just a pube hair under the diameter of my platter, so for sure all of this will affect weight, thickness and simple feel of the record. I think if you go to GZ Media website they have a section that lists the mfg tolerances of 12" LPs as well other sizes like 7" and 10".... If you have a scale you can weigh the LP in question.
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