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Tom Ozric
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^ Flipping those 12" platters is no challenge at all !! Especially with a new Floyd album.....
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Meltdowner
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You're probably right
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Catcher10
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Amen brother......I have zero issues flipping. It gives your ears, brain, senses a tiny break and it keeps you involved.
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Catcher10
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One of my all time fav albums in music is All n' All, it has everything and is the best EW&F album period. The live album Gratitude is hailed as one of the best live R&B/Funk albums, it also has the best renditions of Sun Goddess and a song called New World Symphony, instrumental jams. Another instrumental I forgot about is on Head To the Sky, features a 13 minute latin flavored jam called Zanzibar. EW&F is the main reason why I love long songs, which led me to prog rock long songs.
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Meltdowner
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Thanks. Just listened to All n' All and it's really good and I'm imagining how good it must sound in vinyl
It's funny that we were led to prog from different places and that makes discussing music really interesting. Anyway, my first long song was 'Jesus of Suburbia' from Green Day: it has less than 10 minutes but for a punk song it's a "progressive punk" track. I just liked how structured and epic that song was and it really made an impression on 10 year old me I might give that album a spin, it's been to long. Another one was 'Lucid Dreams' from Franz Ferdinand in 2009 with almost 9 minutes and they never had a track with more than 5 and it seems like a nod to prog in general: they admit to have some Krautrock and Roxy Music influences but mainly found them in this music. Edited by Meltdowner - November 07 2014 at 17:49 |
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Catcher10
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Also progressive funk led me to prog rock.....I was already listening to Pink Floyd, Yes...but bands like EW&F and Parliament/Funkadelic gave me the love for long songs
Parliament P-Funk = 7:40 Bop Gun = 8:35
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Argonaught
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" .... For Prog's ways are indeed inscrutable ... " A couple of things in the thread I wanted to react to: Progressive Punk & Funk: Nah, let's just leave them where they are .. punk it too juvenile, and funk is too happy to be proper prog .. prog is supposed to be solemn, pensive and all grown up Singing: most cultures consider it rude and inconsiderate to talk (let alone shout) when people are trying to listen to the music . I'll make a couple of exceptions: Annie Haslam on Scheherezade and Jane Duboc on Depois Do Fim are fine. Others will be reminded of their right to remain silent. Diane Krall: She's a fine looking lady no doubt, and some of her album covers do emphasize this component of her appeal, but I do not like her music very much. "Best enjoyed with the MUTE button on"? But here is the really big thing: Are you all looking forward to opening a certain Amazon package this coming Monday? |
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Meltdowner
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I used quotes on progressive punk and I was indeed juvenile when I mostly listened to punk
I was not assuming that they are prog, but we were talking about our first experiences with long tracks. What was yours? Or did you immediately found prog? Two fine singers you mentioned And I'm looking forward to get mine from the store with a bonus official merch item from being one of the first to pre-order in vinyl |
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I started my own record collection in the late 1970s, and I very quickly made up my mind as far as what I liked and what I didn't. (By the way, disco was all the rage back then ). I never had more than superficial interest in the orthodox 4/4 stuff, and I particularly dislike growling, screeching and distorted stuff. Here is what I remember enjoying in the "prog category":
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Meltdowner
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So you found prog right away then. It was probably easier to discover what prog was when it was a novelty, no?
I only knew what prog was and all the main bands (except Floyd) when I found this site. Before that, the only Yes song I knew was 'Owner of a Lonely Heart', the only Genesis song I knew was 'Invisible Touch' and never understood the difference between Genesis and Phil Collins solo albums I don't remember anything from Tormato: I've been listening to their entire discography for quite some time that I probably listened to that one once two years ago. I'm rarely in the right mood to listen to Yes. Speaking of Disco, my brother played a Disco compilation a few hours ago, and I was improvising with the electric guitar over it and it had a lot of modulation and some interesting chord progressions. I don't know why some people trash this genre so much |
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Tom Ozric
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In regards to Disco - the bass players had amazing dexterity and solid drive which may feature less intricacy, yet, me personally, find it somewhat less demanding playing Prog bass, than Disco bass. And this concept of solid 4/4 - once Squire claimed that it drummed rhythm and beat into most listeners whom otherwise had no clue about music.
I always love Chicago's Street Player (from their 13 album) - Cetera nailed it, tricky octaves and all. And Blondie had a section in 7 on Heart Of Glass. Boney M too, clever bass work. I need to check out earlier EW&F for their more musical endeavours, I've only heard the commercial 80's tracks (which don't do anything for me). Edited by Tom Ozric - November 08 2014 at 17:40 |
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Meltdowner
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My father used to play a Boney M compilation cassette many times when I was a kid. That's probably why I can tolerate Disco and why my brother really likes it |
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Tom Ozric
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Floyd - yes, we all lap them up.......
The thing with Prog bass, you can play intricately, but can always have a rest here, play slowly, have a rest again, then do something fast and busy. Disco is virtually non-stop, four-on-the-floor, pacey and dare I say it, tiring to play. And it's not my cuppa tea. But give me Disco over your Ed Sheerans and One Directions ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. .......but give me Prog 4 ever |
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Have you tried to improvise disco strings as well? (strings as in fiddles and such, not an item of clothing). By the way, is Vangelis also classified as prog of some description? I have been going through my most recent flea market haul, and noticed I had unwittingly acquired one of their albums as a part of a $0.50 apiece impromptu spot deal. Greed is good, I tell ya.
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Catcher10
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Bass playing is the heart and soul of disco and R&B....Verdine White of EW&F is to me one of theee best players around. Next of course would then be Bootsy Collins.....I love both! Bernard Edwards of Chic, one of the most sampled bass lines in pop music off Good Times, made famous by the Sugarhill Gang, simply great stuff!
Also check out Louis Johnson of the Brothers Johnson, R&B/Funk.....
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Catcher10
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Back to vinyl.......This showed up today!
I will have a better post than this probably tomorrow, I am too pumped to post anything intelligent. This issue is absolutely stunning!! OMG vinyl rules!! |
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Tom Ozric
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^ Wow !! Looks absolutely mind-blowing.
Greg W didn't have this on his list, and I hate shopping elsewhere....... |
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Not sure he ordered many, couple months ago I asked him to hold me a copy. The title song is just insane...the mix is pristine, digital quiet between passages. The pressing quality could have been better, not sure who pressed this one. Hopefully no issues....will play it all by tomorrow.
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Tom Ozric
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I did ask Greg to hold me a copy ages ago - should drop him a line....
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I never understood why Vangelis is not fully prog here: he has been into krautrock, jazz rock and progressive electronic and those albums are very good. I don't know if it is because he is not Prog enough or because he wasn't part of any movemente, like Berlin School. |
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