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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:06
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

  
One of the things that is better in The Netherlands is the urbanity (despite a greater population density), with better defined habitat spaces. It seems that rules existed a lot longer ago than in Belgum, where the "laissez-faire" was simply atrocious... there are places in both Flanders and Wallonie, where there is no "green spaces' left between villages anymore...if there weren't any city traffic plates, you wouldn't know you changed at all
 
Living during the week in Alkmaar, and you clearly know once you're out of the city limits >> you're in the fields almost right away...
 
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Marcel,
I find the Rochefort 8 (green cap)  much better...  the Blue Cap (10) is simply too sweet for my tastes... I prefer brown beers to blonde ones, but that one is simply too much? I also prefer the 6 (red cap) to the blue cap... it's actually a little sister to the green cap, mich like the Chimay red is to the Chimay blue.
 
Tonight is going to be a Westvleeteren
 
Can't believe I'm still an atheist, drinking all thesebeers brewed by monhs!! LOL

In general I agree about what you said about the urbanity. The Dutch are champions in spatial planning. There is a flipside to the coin, though. I remember living in Utrecht (Tolsteeg) in a small flat and feeling like a rat trapped in a cage. We had a park nearby and you could escape nowhere from the sounds of cars. In Belgium, spatial planning is lousy, but I enjoyed living in big houses (standard in Belgium) and for our next house, a big garden too. I never felt trapped anymore.  

Westvleteren? I never tried out the famous beer. It was once voted best beer in the world. It's not easy to get, or is it? You have to go to the monastery, and that's not just a matter of calling on beforehand, there is a sort of luck involved, or not?

What you said about not believing you're still an atheist: who am I to contradict you? WinkSmile Okay, this pastor will save the sermon for the sunday LOL

Gonna buy myself Rochefort 8 after all. I want to try them both... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:14
It's VAN Beethoven what a question. Von Beethoven??? Why the hell would someone even think it's 'von'? Is it somewhere in Pierre Plantard manuscripts? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:15
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

@Moogtron III: It is not a shame to have less kilometers on the bike than I have. When I go out for a bike ride, I make 60-90 km when I'm with my wife and 80-120 when on my own. And once a year I make a real long one (170-190 km). And I don't use a racing bike, just a conventional one. During the winter months (October-March) I just go out occasionally for 40-70 km.
There are new biking routes in the Netherlands since 2008 (knooppuntenroutes) which I use frequently to create routes throughout the region.


Yes, I'm a Knooppuntenroute (English: nodes routes?) - fan myself. They're also in Belgium. Both in West-Flandres and in East-Flandres there are beautiful Knooppuntenroutes. When I'm staying with my parents in law, close to Alphen aan den Rijn, I enjoy biking in the Groene Hart (Green Heart). When I move to Turnhout, I can look forward to Knooppuntenroutes that will cross the Dutch-Belgian border! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:17
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

It's VAN Beethoven what a question. Von Beethoven??? Why the hell would someone even think it's 'von'? Is it somewhere in Pierre Plantard manuscripts? 

No, but he was born in Germany, and there they sometimes use the word "von" (= "from") in last names, where the Dutch/Flemish use "van".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:29
But his ancestors were from Belgium. That's why he was van Beethoven not von Beethoven as it stays in German.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 06:29
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

But his ancestors were from Belgium. That's why he was van Beethoven not von Beethoven as it stays in German.

I know, but not everyone knows he's from Belgian origin, so that's why many people think it's Von Beethoven.
That's why this thread was a good idea.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 10:46
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

 
 
Marcel,
I find the Rochefort 8 (green cap)  much better...  the Blue Cap (10) is simply too sweet for my tastes... I prefer brown beers to blonde ones, but that one is simply too much? I also prefer the 6 (red cap) to the blue cap... it's actually a little sister to the green cap, mich like the Chimay red is to the Chimay blue.
 
Tonight is going to be a Westvleeteren
 
Can't believe I'm still an atheist, drinking all thesebeers brewed by monhs!! LOL

 
Westvleteren? I never tried out the famous beer. It was once voted best beer in the world. It's not easy to get, or is it? You have to go to the monastery, and that's not just a matter of calling on beforehand, there is a sort of luck involved, or not?

What you said about not believing you're still an atheist: who am I to contradict you? WinkSmile Okay, this pastor will save the sermon for the sunday LOL

Gonna buy myself Rochefort 8 after all. I want to try them both... 
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Indeed Westvleteren is the hardest beer to find (probably in the whole world), thoufgh there are circuits in Brussels and even some cafes serving it (around €10.00 per bottle, though) Otherwise, they did sell a bunch (60 000, I believe) of special boxes (the occasion was to finanbce roof renovations of their monastery) with four nottles and two glasses at Colruyt >> they were all go,e in two hours..  They did the same in the US and Canada >> all gone within one day.
 
BTW, it's been noted best beer in the world for the last five years, I believe....
 
Originally posted by LSDisease LSDisease wrote:

But his ancestors were from Belgium. That's why he was van Beethoven not von Beethoven as it stays in German.
If you'd read the first two pages of the thread, you'd know that hardly anyone knew of his Flemish ancestor, even in Flanders...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 11:13
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

 
If you'd read the first two pages of the thread, you'd know that hardly anyone knew of his Flemish ancestor, even in Flanders...


It's not a secret knowledge from what I know. Besides it doesn't matter. Beethoven got famous as van Beethoven not von Beethoven. No need to analyze it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 11:45
There is no point in analyzing it. It's Ludwig van Beethoven. No amount of prog-fan uselessness will change that fact. 

I wonder why this thread is not deemed useless and closed like all the "leaving" "staying" ones... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 12:13
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I wonder why this thread is not deemed useless and closed like all the "leaving" "staying" ones... 
You mean this poll doesn't tell us anything about ourselves?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 12:36
It seems very obvious to me that the only nationals who could have ever possibly got into a bit of confusion over his name were Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, German, Austrians and possibly some Swiss (if they ever get to graduate beyond alpine horn music to appreciate the finer points of Western Classical music of the Romantic era). To the rest of the world there is no cause for confusion, hence there is none (other than the mystery of why this thread has lasted 4 pages).

Edited by Dean - January 23 2014 at 12:50
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 13:18
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It seems very obvious to me that the only nationals who could have ever possibly got into a bit of confusion over his name were Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, German, Austrians and possibly some Swiss (if they ever get to graduate beyond alpine horn music to appreciate the finer points of Western Classical music of the Romantic era). To the rest of the world there is no cause for confusion, hence there is none (other than the mystery of why this thread has lasted 4 pages).

Well, some of the most-beloved members on this site are Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, Germans, Austrians and possibly some Swiss as well.
Maybe we like to be a bit openly confused for a while on this site.
The mystery of 4 pages is no big mystery: we meditate on beer and biking too. Wink 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 14:13
People here try to interpret Yes' TFTO lyrics... I guess that explains why such a nonsense thread as this has 4 pages... Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 14:48
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

People here try to interpret Yes' TFTO lyrics... I guess that explains why such a nonsense thread as this has 4 pages... Tongue
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 23 2014 at 15:09
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

People here try to interpret Yes' TFTO lyrics... I guess that explains why such a nonsense thread as this has 4 pages... Tongue

Well, I'm still breaking my head on why Jon Anderson wants to get over overhanging trees, and lets them rape the forest.
There's so much hidden depth in Jons lyrics, don't you think? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2014 at 03:14
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It seems very obvious to me that the only nationals who could have ever possibly got into a bit of confusion over his name were Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, German, Austrians and possibly some Swiss (if they ever get to graduate beyond alpine horn music to appreciate the finer points of Western Classical music of the Romantic era). To the rest of the world there is no cause for confusion, hence there is none (other than the mystery of why this thread has lasted 4 pages).

Well, some of the most-beloved members on this site are Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, Germans, Austrians and possibly some Swiss as well.
Maybe we like to be a bit openly confused for a while on this site.
The mystery of 4 pages is no big mystery: we meditate on beer and biking too. Wink
 
 
Indeed, the last two pages have been about urban planning and beers, if you'll except LSD's fairly toxic interventions...  
 
 
 
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

People here try to interpret Yes' TFTO lyrics... I guess that explains why such a nonsense thread as this has 4 pages... Tongue
LOL
Dare I even say:
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Edited by Sean Trane - January 24 2014 at 03:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2014 at 03:52
I influenced Albert Hofmann

Edited by LSDisease - January 24 2014 at 03:56
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2014 at 20:51
When he rides, my fears subside.
For darkness turns once more to light.
Through the skies, his white horse flies.
To find a land beyond the night.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2014 at 21:03
^ What is this?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2014 at 21:58
It's a joke. They're making a joke of a fictional german composer with a ridiculously long name.


Edited by proggman - February 12 2014 at 00:58
When he rides, my fears subside.
For darkness turns once more to light.
Through the skies, his white horse flies.
To find a land beyond the night.
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