Ukraine

Svetonio wrote: King of Loss wrote: What about control of the Eurasian landmass as being strategic in control of the world ?  (...) Kremlin's imagined "Euroasia" can not exist without Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. We know what the fuss is about Ukraine. Regarding Minsk, I doubt that Lukashenko will gladly give Belarus' large state-owned agricultural plants to Russian oligarchs , while regarding Kazakhstan  I really do not know how things are.

Svetonio wrote: ^ Yes, Russia has enough landmass and Kremlin could ocuppied Crimea, but it's not "Euroasia". However, a good thing with that is the fact that more of Kremlin's military engagements, along with fake "reincarnation od tsarist empire", and especialy with, as you said, "hypercapitalist economy", it is the path to new Bolsevik Revolution; this world really needs the New Bolshevik Revolution and, also, the New French Revolution.

The funny thing is that the European Union resembles the Soviet Union much more than Putin's Neo-Tsarist Russia.

Stalin had a really cool moustache and he was one hell of a conqueror. 

Edited by King of Loss - April 15 2014 at 19:15

King of Loss wrote: Svetonio wrote: ^ Yes, Russia has enough landmass and Kremlin could ocuppied Crimea, but it's not "Euroasia". However, a good thing with that is the fact that more of Kremlin's military engagements, along with fake "reincarnation od tsarist empire", and especialy with, as you said, "hypercapitalist economy", it is the path to new Bolsevik Revolution; this world really needs the New Bolshevik Revolution and, also, the New French Revolution. Not going to happen. I think the world is moving back to the days before the Bolshevik Revolution, with nationalism and fascism coming to the fore again.... Civil War in Ukraine (US Russia proxy war) will be the first of many future conflicts. Some conflicts might also occur again in your country as well.

You expect too much from Putin's Russia, methinks.
During this time, "Lavrov urges Ukraine and the West to negotiate". What negotiations - perhaps ask them to replace the Kiev putschists because it is very important for Russia? Just in general I am not able to figure out what they could to negotiate really. It's just a mimicry. They are already divided Ukraine.
Putin won't whole Ukraine under his control. Because if that is so, Putin would not have acted in this way from the beginning.

If he wanted to put the whole of Ukraine under his control, which means to install a puppet pro-Russian regime in Kiev (in order to create "Eurasia"), then immediately after the coup in Kiev, Putin had to make blitzkrieg in Ukraine darted in all directions; troopers from the Black Sea to the southern parts of Ukraine, by land across the border in the entire eastern sector of Belarus and the western and northern part of Ukraine.

If Putin really desires to create "Euroasia" as you believe aswell, Putin would not be dragged 'chess moves' that seemed in the days of the coup in Kiev when no one ruled, not command nor the security forces, and the Ukraine army weren't ready for some resistance. I mind you, in order to create "Eurasia", Putin needs whole Ukraine, not some odds and ends . And If you think that's complicated to put under control that 8% of the armed extremists from western Ukraine, a little read through Stalin's notes may be found there as he worked efficiently.



Edited by Svetonio - April 16 2014 at 12:31

King of Loss wrote: You don't know about that. Maybe Putin can support some crazy right wing Serbian nationalists to try to take over parts of the old Yugoslav republic again.

Actually, after elections last month, serbian nationalists will (again) form the new government in a few days, and Putin is interested only how that old / new serbian nationalist regime will protect the interests of Gazprom, a crook corporation who exploit serbian oil, paying mining rent several times lower than in Russia, & not paying 30% of profit what as per the contract belongs to Serbia.
On the oher side, the West supported the current serbian nationalist politicians because they have to signed the very important papers regarding Kosovo; with that necessary approval by Serbia, the UN Security Council Resolution 1244 which states that Kosovo is an autonomous province within Serbia, is gonna be changed. So, the alliance of Berlin (some call it E.U.) and Moscow is already installed in Serbia, and serbian nationalists were helped in the installation of that alliance in Serbia because it provides the power to serbian nationalists for rule.
The next conflict may be only within the Republic of Serbia when the people become against the current nationalists puppet regime, but for that we will wait a few years for sure.

Edited by Svetonio - April 16 2014 at 13:22

JJLehto wrote: Well this is just wonderful... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/ Purposely going to just not think too far ahead about this..solely because it's far too horrifying and depressing.

Hungary is in the same shape since some years and nobody has done anything against that neo-nazi regime.

octopus-4 wrote: JJLehto wrote: Well this is just wonderful... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/ Purposely going to just not think too far ahead about this..solely because it's far too horrifying and depressing.  Hungary is in the same shape since some years and nobody has done anything against that neo-nazi regime.

Edited by Svetonio - April 17 2014 at 23:06

King of Loss wrote: JJLehto wrote: Well this is just wonderful... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/ Purposely going to just not think too far ahead about this..solely because it's far too horrifying and depressing.  Rescinded! Now coming out it appears very likely this was a false flag, thank god.  Typical American propaganda. Smearing Russia like it's nothing. The coverage during the Sochi Olympics was almost sickening.

Because Russia is totally a saint

JJLehto wrote: King of Loss wrote: JJLehto wrote: Well this is just wonderful... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/ Purposely going to just not think too far ahead about this..solely because it's far too horrifying and depressing.  Rescinded! Now coming out it appears very likely this was a false flag, thank god.  Typical American propaganda. Smearing Russia like it's nothing. The coverage during the Sochi Olympics was almost sickening. Because Russia is totally a saint   (...)

Edited by Svetonio - April 18 2014 at 09:07