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    Posted: March 04 2014 at 06:45
Originally posted by uduwudu

Re the ratings ... perhaps a 1 or 5 star rating should not be possible without written justification. As enthusiastic as people can be it does result in hype, devaluing by inflation.

When scanning reviews I check (some of) the lowest, the highest and some mid way, I usually get a reasonable idea if the content is well written. The more personal and nostalgic, the more overtly subjective content gets short shrift with nasty ol' me. Not that I don't appreciate enthusiasm but the considered assessments get the most reading from me anyway.

There's a review of Yes' debut on the front page which is a rather good example of how a review should be written. A good read and fair assessment of the album. He can do mine - I gave up... Wink



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Post Options Post Options   Quote uduwudu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2014 at 02:35
Re the ratings ... perhaps a 1 or 5 star rating should not be possible without written justification. As enthusiastic as people can be it does result in hype, devaluing by inflation.

When scanning reviews I check (some of) the lowest, the highest and some mid way, I usually get a reasonable idea if the content is well written. The more personal and nostalgic, the more overtly subjective content gets short shrift with nasty ol' me. Not that I don't appreciate enthusiasm but the considered assessments get the most reading from me anyway.

There's a review of Yes' debut on the front page which is a rather good example of how a review should be written. A good read and fair assessment of the album. He can do mine - I gave up... Wink


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Originally posted by Horizons


Originally posted by Slartibartfast

If it wasn't that good you might have picked the wrong stuff to listen to....

True. No year is a bad year i suppose..
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Agreed. Every year has something you can sink your Prog ears into with a big smile on your face.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Polymorphia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2014 at 19:03
Originally posted by Slartibartfast

Yeah the '80's weren't all that awful btw...
Very much agreed.
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Yeah the '80's weren't all that awful btw...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Horizons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2014 at 17:57
Originally posted by Slartibartfast

If it wasn't that good you might have picked the wrong stuff to listen to....

True. No year is a bad year i suppose..

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If it wasn't that good you might have picked the wrong stuff to listen to....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Horizons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2014 at 11:27
Originally posted by Lynx33

Originally posted by Guldbamsen

I think people forget that 3 stars means a good album.

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Naw man.

5* I could get through it.

1* I heard something that didn't tickle my fancy.


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Originally posted by Guldbamsen

I think people forget that 3 stars means a good album.

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2013 was the best year for progressive music in a long time.
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Originally posted by javajeff

We have a top 100 where just about everything is 3.90 or better, and 72 have a 4.00 or better.  Aside from the top 10, was 2013 really that good?  We have ratings of new music that seems a little too good.

I was in a lecture recently, where 50 of us had to mark three stand up comedians out of 50. Our criteria was based on their stage presence, their tone, phrasing, the sound, the structure of their performance. 

These are pretty black and white things to point out if you initially think about it, but when we revealed our marks, the range of them varied greatly from as little as 25 to as high as 48, the average for all three comedians were in between 30 and 40. 
The outcome of this experiment was that no matter what criteria people set themselves to grade something, subjectivity is always an influence. It all depends on people's taste, in the case of this website, what they like about prog. A lot of fans will be drawn here, which is probably why the ratings are drawn higher, ultimately it becomes hard to distinguish a clear cut sense of validity with ratings. It is about opinion after all.

I can never really feel recommended to ratings alone, reviews will have more stock of course, because, it goes into more detail and I can match that with what I personally like: but in all honesty, the best person to rate something for themselves is indeed themselves!

Nevertheless, rating stuff is rather fun! 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote ergaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2014 at 09:02
It was damned good for me, but then I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention in 2012 because I was too busy discovering some older stuff.  A lot of the stuff I discovered in 2013 though was post rock and post metal, which has become a rather important genre for me.  But I really loved quite a few albums from this year.  I had a tie for No. 1 but one of those was not prog.

As for the ratings...from the day I joined this site I found the ratings generally inflated.  Five-star albums should be exceedingly rare beasts but around here they are as common as dirt on the ground.  The no half-star option doesn't help, and I too tend to round up rather than down.  I usually point this out at the start of my review though, if I have done that.

I think I have written only one five-star review.  Quite a few 4-star though, but either they deserved it or they were rounded up from a 3.5.  But I do have 3-star reviews as well.  Anything I think is worse than that...it is unlikely I will muster up the interest to write a review for an album like that. 
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Fantastic Year!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AtomicCrimsonRush Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2014 at 19:37
2013 is not that memorable in terms of music but it was better than 2012 as i recall. The list of albums in the best of 2013 are definitely worth listening to even if they may not all be masterpieces.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Horizons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2014 at 19:04
Originally posted by Bonnek

Originally posted by Horizons

I also don't understand how a reissue is ranked #2. Oh well.


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That's because I can't even be bothered to post the 1 star review I've written about it Dead




Yea really..

I already dislike the original.. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Horizons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2014 at 19:03
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Originally posted by Horizons

No. I can get through 20 listens in a day. It doesn't matter - it's time that changes your view of an album and really shows it's true value. 

I wouldn't want to put a number on the amount of time you need for each "stage" but i would wait a least a month. 

so is there a point when your view of an album becomes 'fixed'?

No i don't think so. Like said - it's not unexpected that a view on an album changes, but i think there is a degree of fairness to yourself and the artist to give them a proper, developed rating and reasoning behind it. 
Now that change may never happen but i can assume that my thoughts on Deloused in the Comatorium won't chage because of the impact it has had on me already as well as the amount of listening i've already done since its release.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote altaeria Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2014 at 18:28
Originally posted by Polymorphia

 
20 listens for the sake of a review is certainly overkill. Who would want to listen to an album that took 20 listens to like?

Most of the time, my opinion is fully formed by third listen, give or take. I still listen to the albums after that, but I like to let them have some space.



Here is the point of my original premise: 

If an album is a true 5-star "masterpiece"... 
then 20 listens should only take you around two months to complete. 

If the album is soooo damn great... a mere 10 listens per month 
for two months should be an almost effortless exercise. 

After that time passes... If you still consider the album to be amazing, 
then a 5-star rating is truly warranted. 

If a supposed "masterpiece" becomes a chore to listen to 
after a half-dozen spins... then it's probably not an actual masterpiece. 

I'm just sayin'
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Polymorphia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2014 at 15:25
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Originally posted by Polymorphia

Originally posted by Horizons

Originally posted by Polymorphia

Originally posted by Horizons

No. I can get through 20 listens in a day. It doesn't matter - it's time that changes your view of an album and really shows it's true value. 

I wouldn't want to put a number on the amount of time you need for each "stage" but i would wait a least a month. 
I've reviewed during my first listen (once). Embarrassed

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My opinion of and thoughts on the album (Laughing Stock) has not changed (which is a rare case). I should say that I listened to it once all the way through, and wrote my thoughts as I listened to the album, and then ping ponged between tracks especially to listen to mood transitions while reading bios and interviews. I was really just testing the approach of writing down my first impressions, and have kept doing that for my other reviews, although with my other reviews I've made sure to listen to the album many more times.


Honestly, I don't have a problem with reviewing like that.  First impressions are just as important as last impressions.  I think 20 listens might be overkill, dulling the senses to what made that album so great in the first place, and you forget how strong your feelings were when you first listened to it.  An album that holds up for that long may have the 'classic' quality but IMO there are five star worhty albums that maybe aren't supposed to be listened to that many times.
20 listens for the sake of a review is certainly overkill. Who would want to listen to an album that took 20 listens to like? LOL

Most of the time, my opinion is fully formed by third listen, give or take. I still listen to the albums after that, but I like to let them have some space.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bloodnarfer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2014 at 13:11
Originally posted by Polymorphia

Originally posted by Horizons

Originally posted by Polymorphia

Originally posted by Horizons

No. I can get through 20 listens in a day. It doesn't matter - it's time that changes your view of an album and really shows it's true value. 

I wouldn't want to put a number on the amount of time you need for each "stage" but i would wait a least a month. 
I've reviewed during my first listen (once). Embarrassed

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My opinion of and thoughts on the album (Laughing Stock) has not changed (which is a rare case). I should say that I listened to it once all the way through, and wrote my thoughts as I listened to the album, and then ping ponged between tracks especially to listen to mood transitions while reading bios and interviews. I was really just testing the approach of writing down my first impressions, and have kept doing that for my other reviews, although with my other reviews I've made sure to listen to the album many more times.


Honestly, I don't have a problem with reviewing like that.  First impressions are just as important as last impressions.  I think 20 listens might be overkill, dulling the senses to what made that album so great in the first place, and you forget how strong your feelings were when you first listened to it.  An album that holds up for that long may have the 'classic' quality but IMO there are five star worhty albums that maybe aren't supposed to be listened to that many times.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2014 at 13:00
Originally posted by Logan

I wouldn't argue the semantics here too much.  A personal truth (also known as subjective truth as opposed to objective truth) is in the realm of opinion.  To say that something is my truth is commonly synonymous with saying that it is my opinion (though there are often differences in nuance).  Personal truth is about personal perspective as I use it, and what's true to one person need not be true to another.
 
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