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Polymorphia 
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 Posted: February 13 2014 at 12:57 |
 Horizons wrote:
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No. I can get through 20 listens in a day. It doesn't matter - it's time that changes your view of an album and really shows it's true value.
I wouldn't want to put a number on the amount of time you need for each "stage" but i would wait a least a month. |
I've reviewed during my first listen (once). 
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My opinion of and thoughts on the album (Laughing Stock) has not changed (which is a rare case). I should say that I listened to it once all the way through, and wrote my thoughts as I listened to the album, and then ping ponged between tracks especially to listen to mood transitions while reading bios and interviews. I was really just testing the approach of writing down my first impressions, and have kept doing that for my other reviews, although with my other reviews I've made sure to listen to the album many more times.
Edited by Polymorphia - February 13 2014 at 12:59
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 12:47 |
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I wouldn't argue the semantics here too much. A personal truth (also known as subjective truth as opposed to objective truth) is in the realm of opinion. To say that something is my truth is commonly synonymous with saying that it is my opinion (though there are often differences in nuance). Personal truth is about personal perspective as I use it, and what's true to one person need not be true to another.
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 12:25 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
tamijo wrote:
I just hope that one day everyone will just listen to the music, forget about overrated underrated points and scores.
Just listen to the music, enjoy every single track as if it was the only piece of music in the world, think about what the artist had in mind with this particular piece, ect ect.
It is not a sports contest.
Points are totaly irrelevant when it comes to art. Even more so if you start thinking about a year v year contest, what is the point ? |
There are Great, Good, Average, medioccre and bad albums.
That'ssomething we can't deny.
We only say our truth |
...we only say our opinion, not truth. Reviewing is subjective, an opinion not truth. |
I said OUR truth, not the truth.
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I'm not going to piss about this for 50 posts but regardless of your truth or his truth or my truth or our truth.......A review is an opinion, not truth, regardless of where/who it comes from. All reviewers are doing is stating their opinion of an album/artist, whether it is from one listen or 20 listens. This is why people gripe and moan when their favorite album received a 2 star and they feel it should be a 5 star. Just because one album received 100 5 star ratings and you gave it a 2 star..does not mean the 100 people are telling the truth and you are wrong, you would not admit you are wrong....Its only an opinion, there is no truth. But it is only an opinion.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 10:39 |
Bonnek wrote:
richardh wrote:
Horizons wrote:
No. I can get through 20 listens in a day. It doesn't matter - it's time that changes your view of an album and really shows it's true value.
I wouldn't want to put a number on the amount of time you need for each "stage" but i would wait a least a month. |
so is there a point when your view of an album becomes 'fixed'? |
20 listens for any album younger then 3 years is really rare.
there's too much new stuff to check and too much old favorites to keep enjoying (so I might be at around 200 listens for certain 70's albums by now  )
my view on an album never becomes fixed, i'm a progressing being 
it's one of the reasons I'm mixed about reviewing now, I wrote a couple of 1000 in a year only to find out 2 years later I sometimes don't agree at all with that older me that did them
to review an album it's certainly good to be away from it for a couple of weeks so that the initial surprise has worn off a bit
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I normally have a general idea of the structure and basics of the album in the first listen, in the second, I try to verify my first impression, ...the subjective issues (Like it, don't like it or hate it) come in the 3 and 4th listen.
Then I don't listen the album for a week (Normally because there's more stuff too listen) and about the fifth listen I heard it once more and write the review by listening it again.
In most of the cases (Lets say 90%) I know if I'm going to like an album in the first listen...If this haven't changed by the fifth listen, I know 99% it's my final opinion.
The two only albums that took me years to love are Relayer and Trespass, as a fact, I hated Trespass for years.
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The Shrubbery
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 10:38 |
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I don't understand why everybody keeps posting these lists of 2013 and leaving off Pete Trewavas' Edison's Children's album "The Final Breath Before November". I know the new album came out in December of 2013... but it was still a 2013 album, not 2014. If you really give it a few good listens and aren't looking for the next King Crimson but just want something haunting and dark and atmospheric... there's little out there better then they are.
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Let's make Prog a family again. Tired of Snobbery and trolling. We all have a right to love what and who we love so lets respect and appreciate all who care about the finest music in the world... prog
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 07:57 |
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Ratings are pointless without factoring in the tastes of the rater. That being said, I was surprised by the high quality of albums I have listened to from 2013.
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 05:07 |
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I also don't understand how a reissue is ranked #2. Oh well. |
Camel? That's because I can't even be bothered to post the 1 star review I've written about it 
Edited by Bonnek - February 13 2014 at 05:07
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 05:05 |
richardh wrote:
Horizons wrote:
No. I can get through 20 listens in a day. It doesn't matter - it's time that changes your view of an album and really shows it's true value.
I wouldn't want to put a number on the amount of time you need for each "stage" but i would wait a least a month. |
so is there a point when your view of an album becomes 'fixed'? |
20 listens for any album younger then 3 years is really rare. there's too much new stuff to check and too much old favorites to keep enjoying (so I might be at around 200 listens for certain 70's albums by now ) my view on an album never becomes fixed, i'm a progressing being it's one of the reasons I'm mixed about reviewing now, I wrote a couple of 1000 in a year only to find out 2 years later I sometimes don't agree at all with that older me that did them to review an album it's certainly good to be away from it for a couple of weeks so that the initial surprise has worn off a bit
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richardh
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 01:46 |
Horizons wrote:
No. I can get through 20 listens in a day. It doesn't matter - it's time that changes your view of an album and really shows it's true value.
I wouldn't want to put a number on the amount of time you need for each "stage" but i would wait a least a month. |
so is there a point when your view of an album becomes 'fixed'?
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 00:29 |
altaeria wrote:
Ideally,
reviews should be posted after around 20 listens.
The first few listens are basically the "getting to know each other" phase.
5 to 10 listens is the honeymoon stage.
11 to 15 listens is the period when you really get familiar with all the little intricacies of the album.
16 listens and up is when you start looking around at all the other attractive albums on the market.
At around 20 listens, you can truly declare whether it is love... or if it was just a torrid passing fling.
 PS: If you couldn't get past 5 listens, then it simply wasn't meant to be (more than 3 stars).
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Almost impossible.
I hardly listen any album more than 20 times in 3 years.
I have nearly 3,000 albums in CD format, almost 2,000 in LP and a lot in legal MP3.
I wouldn't be able to rate more than 20 or 30 albums if I had to listen all of them 20 times.
You can afford that luxury when you have 100 albums, but I never review an album before the fourth or fifth listen..
Iván
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Posted: February 13 2014 at 00:24 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
tamijo wrote:
I just hope that one day everyone will just listen to the music, forget about overrated underrated points and scores.
Just listen to the music, enjoy every single track as if it was the only piece of music in the world, think about what the artist had in mind with this particular piece, ect ect.
It is not a sports contest.
Points are totaly irrelevant when it comes to art. Even more so if you start thinking about a year v year contest, what is the point ? |
There are Great, Good, Average, medioccre and bad albums.
That'ssomething we can't deny.
We only say our truth |
...we only say our opinion, not truth. Reviewing is subjective, an opinion not truth. |
I said OUR truth, not the truth.
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Horizons
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Posted: February 12 2014 at 22:23 |
Polymorphia wrote:
Horizons wrote:
No. I can get through 20 listens in a day. It doesn't matter - it's time that changes your view of an album and really shows it's true value.
I wouldn't want to put a number on the amount of time you need for each "stage" but i would wait a least a month. |
I've reviewed during my first listen (once).
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Polymorphia
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Posted: February 12 2014 at 21:15 |
Horizons wrote:
No. I can get through 20 listens in a day. It doesn't matter - it's time that changes your view of an album and really shows it's true value.
I wouldn't want to put a number on the amount of time you need for each "stage" but i would wait a least a month. |
I've reviewed during my first listen (once).
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: February 12 2014 at 20:03 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
tamijo wrote:
I just hope that one day everyone will just listen to the music, forget about overrated underrated points and scores.
Just listen to the music, enjoy every single track as if it was the only piece of music in the world, think about what the artist had in mind with this particular piece, ect ect.
It is not a sports contest.
Points are totaly irrelevant when it comes to art. Even more so if you start thinking about a year v year contest, what is the point ? |
There are Great, Good, Average, medioccre and bad albums.
That'ssomething we can't deny.
We only say our truth |
...we only say our opinion, not truth. Reviewing is subjective, an opinion not truth. |
Good points 
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Freedom is slavery.
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Posted: February 12 2014 at 17:14 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
tamijo wrote:
I just hope that one day everyone will just listen to the music, forget about overrated underrated points and scores.
Just listen to the music, enjoy every single track as if it was the only piece of music in the world, think about what the artist had in mind with this particular piece, ect ect.
It is not a sports contest.
Points are totaly irrelevant when it comes to art. Even more so if you start thinking about a year v year contest, what is the point ? |
There are Great, Good, Average, medioccre and bad albums.
That'ssomething we can't deny.
We only say our truth |
...we only say our opinion, not truth. Reviewing is subjective, an opinion not truth.
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Horizons
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Posted: February 12 2014 at 16:18 |
No. I can get through 20 listens in a day. It doesn't matter - it's time that changes your view of an album and really shows it's true value.
I wouldn't want to put a number on the amount of time you need for each "stage" but i would wait a least a month.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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altaeria
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Posted: February 12 2014 at 15:00 |
Ideally, reviews should be posted after around 20 listens. The first few listens are basically the "getting to know each other" phase.
5 to 10 listens is the honeymoon stage.
11 to 15 listens is the period when you really get familiar with all the little intricacies of the album.
16 listens and up is when you start looking around at all the other attractive albums on the market.
At around 20 listens, you can truly declare whether it is love... or if it was just a torrid passing fling.
PS: If you couldn't get past 5 listens, then it simply wasn't meant to be (more than 3 stars).
Edited by altaeria - February 12 2014 at 15:04
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 12 2014 at 10:31 |
tamijo wrote:
I just hope that one day everyone will just listen to the music, forget about overrated underrated points and scores.
Just listen to the music, enjoy every single track as if it was the only piece of music in the world, think about what the artist had in mind with this particular piece, ect ect.
It is not a sports contest.
Points are totaly irrelevant when it comes to art. Even more so if you start thinking about a year v year contest, what is the point ? |
There are Great, Good, Average, medioccre and bad albums.
That'ssomething we can't deny.
We only say our truth
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tamijo
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Posted: February 12 2014 at 07:27 |
I just hope that one day everyone will just listen to the music, forget about overrated underrated points and scores.
Just listen to the music, enjoy every single track as if it was the only piece of music in the world, think about what the artist had in mind with this particular piece, ect ect.
It is not a sports contest.
Points are totaly irrelevant when it comes to art. Even more so if you start thinking about a year v year contest, what is the point ?
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Posted: February 11 2014 at 21:42 |
This year looks to be a lot better. Yes we had Steve Wilson but...
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