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Gully Foyle
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Topic: The Anderson/Barre Split Posted: February 14 2014 at 09:57 |
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So, i see a new Anderson album coming out...hopefully none of hte spoken word bits that made it impossible for me to listen to taab2, but i digress
is there any real knowledge out there of why ian and martin seem to have parted ways? really a terrible shame in my mind, though at least it seems ian has stopped flogging the tull name to death now that the last link to the glorious past is gone... just curious...
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HemispheresOfXanadu
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Posted: February 14 2014 at 10:15 | ||
Here's a Barre interview from when Ian Anderson announced the TaaB 2 tour: http://www.goldminemag.com/article/jethro-tull-guitarist-martin-barre-takes-high-road-on-taab2-rift
Edited by HemispheresOfXanadu - February 14 2014 at 10:16 |
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Progosopher
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Posted: February 14 2014 at 12:02 | ||
Ian Anderson once said that there would be no Jethro Tull without Martin Barre. That seems more true now than ever. The question is: Can there be a Jethro Tull without Ian Anderson? That is a bizarre thought. Will they become their own tribute band? Will there be new material? Only time and Martin will tell.
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Barbu
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Posted: February 14 2014 at 12:38 | ||
No Tull without Martin and no Tull without Ian.
I have a feeling good old Jethro have not said his last word. |
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Manuel
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 10:47 | ||
As much as I have loved Jethro Tull over the years, I think it's time to hang up the banner and start looking into other things. Retirement for Ian Anderson, unless he stops singing (or attempting to), and for Martin to make his mark as one of the best guitarists the world does not know about. A fantastic musical journey and legacy that has finally reached it's end, as everything does in due time, but I don't think they had very much left playing together. It was quite sad seeing them playing Led Zeppelin songs, when they had such an amazing discography, proving they were growing bore of their own music.
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moshkito
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 11:02 | ||
I think you will see more of it. It's been said that Ian has lost most of his voice for singing.
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Sergey Lenkov
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 12:17 | ||
And Ian said that he made proposal to Martin to participate in TAAB2, but Martin rejected to do it.
I could suppose from words of Martin that copyrights and royalties is the problem in their relations with Ian. I adjusted for the voice of Ian in the last yeas and I'm really enjoing TAAB2. By the way, Martin recorded not bad album Away with Words in 2013 - nice JT style music - new pieces mixed with clasic Tull in new arrangements.
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Genital Giant
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Posted: February 16 2014 at 18:20 | ||
Ian really can't sing anymore. It's seems the only old Progger that went out gracefully was Bruford.
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 14:52 | ||
His voice's a bit deeper now than it used to, but I don't mind that. The interview linked to earlier was quite enlightening, by the way.
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: February 17 2014 at 15:44 | ||
Deeper? How about non-existent?! His vocals on stage are embarrassing. He can get away with it in the studio with the latest technology but..... C'mon, Ian lost his voice years ago and it has gotten so bad on stage that he needs someone else to sing the high bits......I reckon he also needs someone else to sing all the other bits as well!
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 10:47 | ||
I have not heard Ian Anderson' latest vocal contributions yet, so I can't judge. but let's face it: he was never much of a singer. neither was his range very impressive nor did he hit the notes very well, and his voice was always very nasal.
that does not mean I don't like his vocals. one of my favorite vocalists is the late Robert Calvert of Hawkwind, and he could not sing at all. but the way he delivered his vocal contributions was extremely impressive and totally made up for his lacking singing abilities. you don't have to be a good singer to be a good vocalist Edited by BaldJean - February 18 2014 at 10:48 |
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Gerinski
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Posted: February 18 2014 at 11:06 | ||
I would agree that Ian's losing his voice and most probably economical matters are at the root of the split. Ian likely conceived TAAB2 in his mind and saw it's potential for making some fresh cash and wanted to capitalize the profits without having to share too much of them. Music bands can be strange families, now I love you, now stick your guitar's neck in your ass (I may have to do the same with my flute but that will be less painful ).
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 03:58 | ||
After some surgery on his throat back in the 1990s I think his voice has become a lot deeper, which means that he can't do quite the same vocal melodies before. As a result he needs a second vocalist to sing the higher parts when performing old material in the live setting. Doesn't really bother me, though, but as you can see a lot of people think different.
See also the late Rozz Williams of Christian Death, while in an ostensibly very different genre his vocal style reminded me a lot of an evil Robert Calvert. (right down to affecting a similar accent, despite being American!) |
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 19 2014 at 06:22 | ||
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: February 20 2014 at 20:23 | ||
It definitely seems(key word here is seems)that Ian and Martin had some sort of falling out. It's unfortunate but sometimes musicians just go in different directions. From what I understand it was the record companies idea for him to do a TAAB 2 album but Ian chose to pursue it as a solo project rather than a JT one.
I do feel lucky in the sense that I was able to see JT live while the band were still active back in 2008. I saw Ian solo about two years prior to that and that show was actually just as good(if not better)than the JT show. |
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 20 2014 at 21:01 | ||
Falling out or not, if they're both still healthy, eventually Barre/Anderson will return. They always have and probably always will, separate projects or not. We've all been putting up with Ian's diminished voice since the late '80s, you take it or leave it.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: February 21 2014 at 18:39 | ||
I appreciate your optimism but really you never know. They might return or they might not. Gentle Giant never returned and neither did the Beatles. Led Zeppelin kind of did but not for another album. The same thing with the Who. So who knows what will happen. It seems neither Ian nor Martin even know. |
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 21 2014 at 18:44 | ||
It's not optimism, it's a consistent pattern, and Tull are not facing what Zep, Beatles or the Who did (essentially death). Just look at the Barre/Anderson history-- if anyone wanted to bet me they wouldn't be back I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.
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grasshopperman
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Posted: February 25 2014 at 17:22 | ||
Saw Martin Barre at Bath Komedia late last year. I looked around and managed to count the people there. Couldn't have been much more than 60. He had a great guitarist playing with him. A French bloke - really nifty. It was a Sunday night mind - and the weather was sh*t.
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Gully Foyle
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Posted: February 27 2014 at 11:08 | ||
its not the diminished voice that bothered me about taab2, it was the actual talking between songs....just goofy and really a killer for me
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