Understanding Moonchild

Slartibartfast wrote: moshkito wrote: Blacksword wrote: I suspect none of it means anything.. People were very stoned back then..   I sincerely doubt that most of this album, and any KC work, was centered around any drugs. The joke might be construed that a lot of their music simply isn't stoned enough!   And that's probably why it's called "progressive", and so many others aren't!   I believe that most of this album is a result of really good and well defined rehearsal processes and then very well defined moments in music that were created were simply made better. I'm not even sure that there was as much improvisation here as there is (and always was) on most of Robert's solo albums all around, as a comparison point. I'd like to think it was just the product of good musicians doing a little messing around...

 

Edited by moshkito - March 17 2014 at 09:36

"I'm an awkward silence"

I love "pointless noodling", nothing wrong with "pointless noodling". Often a lot more interesting than "fast as possible guitar playing" (drumming or whatever). A lot better than "trying to sound like", not to mention "worked well last album, lets try that again"

ExittheLemming wrote: tamijo wrote: I love "pointless noodling", nothing wrong with "pointless noodling". Often a lot more interesting than "fast as possible guitar playing" (drumming or whatever). A lot better than "trying to sound like", not to mention "worked well last album, lets try that again" Why is slow or medium paced purposeless playing superior to very fast purposeless playing and the emboldened part, erm..on their debut?

dr wu23 wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: Nicely balanced appraisal of the Moonchild from Eric Tamm's unjustly neglected book here http://www.progressiveears.com/frippbook/ch04.htm   Thanks for the link.....it was an interesting piece.

 

Edited by moshkito - March 18 2014 at 08:59

tamijo wrote: ...  In both cases I was refering to the OP's reference to Moonchild beeing accused of beeing "pointless noodling", trying to defend that "pointless noodling" often turns out to be wonderfull music, compared to other methods of music creation.  ...

tamijo wrote: moshkito wrote: tamijo wrote: ...  In both cases I was refering to the OP's reference to Moonchild beeing accused of beeing "pointless noodling", trying to defend that "pointless noodling" often turns out to be wonderfull music, compared to other methods of music creation.  ...     Thank you! I appreciate a lot!   And how well this also worked for Can, Amon Duul 2 and others! Yes, and what would the RIO moventment be about, if we banned "pointless noodeling", they were fighting for artistic freedom, to noodle and stuf.

Perhaps you are right, and a man's right to pointlessly noodle is an inalienable right that should not be trammeled by fripperies such as purpose, intent or structure. Tom Verlaine (who admittedly has some 'previous' as a noodler) perhaps expressed this futile course best : I want a nice little boat made out of ocean
You're clearly a hippy.


Edited by ExittheLemming - March 18 2014 at 09:48

The improvisation section is centered around creating visuals for the listener ...because of the nature of the playing style on each individual instrument. Not in all cases is this concept of writing intended to be for anyone in the musicians mind. Other times it is ..for example in the case of Robert Fripp. So actually, I would have to say that the music is closely related to theatre production. The style of writing is on the poetic side with Pete Sinfield and the atmospheric sounds produced on instruments along with dynamics which are full of drama...very much in the same vain of a composer who reads a script and creates music to build up the emotions of the actor's role. Or an actual composition written for a play. I.T.C.O.T.C.K. has that mentality of work involvement. Fripp had great ideas and he was truly creative about it. This style of writing though...has existed for centuries and it has been more experimented with over the last 5 decades and defined as a term that is modern to society.

In the Court of the Crimson King was pretty "well thought out" obviously because Pete Sinfield and Robert Fripp were part of the band. Don't doubt it. Ian McDonald was a perfectionist and composed the music which was more vital to the album and it's originality. It was a band that concentrated more on writing and the sections of improvisation fell between. In some cases ..one particular musician in a band will already have the flow of the album in their head. From the very start, they know that they want to compose a drawn out piece like "Epitaph" to close side 1 of the album. This can all materialize by 1 individual having an idea. Fripp fully understands how to write music concepts and already conceiving the foundation of it before putting it on to tape.

That . . . was beautiful