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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2014 at 15:44
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

The Who generated "Tommy" and "Quadraphenia," both brilliant works of music!  I'm still amazed at how much of the instrumentation the band members played themselves (strings, horns etc.).  

Otherwise, I think it tends to be the creative drain as well as lack of support by the industry.  Double albums seemed to be trendy for a while....TFTO, The Lamb, Works etc.  

This is interesting:  Some artists still occasionally produce a large enough quantity of material to justify a double album. For example, progressive rock band The Flower Kings have released four double albums out of eleven studio albums.

It appears that many bands would capture entire concerts and release them as live double albums, which makes sense since it reduces studio costs & offers the consumer an alternative product to the studio version.  

Check out John Coltrane!!  And Frank Zappa!!!

Double albums are trending now, too, strangely enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2014 at 16:07
Because people only needed one folding cover to roll their joints on?  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 10:13
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Because people only needed one folding cover to roll their joints on?  Wink
 
Hardly!
 
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I've always had this kind of idea that the double album was a band's attempt to make it look like they were "better" than just a pop song or two. But it also gave rise to the idea that you could put songs in a certain order, and then tell people that a story was there, and no one would know any better! The Beatles White Album is exactly that. There might be something here, or not!
 
All in all, I was never worried about it being single or double LP. I had already enjoyed many operas and other works that were fairly long, so seeing a band do something more than just a song, was kinda cool. "Tommy" being called a "rock opera" was abusing the word and priviledge for my ideas, and in some ways, it broke the "mold" for what "opera" should be about, something that even Roger Waters did not listen to or pay attention to with "Ca Ira".
 
AD2's "Made in Germany" is also supposed to be a concept album and was originally a double LP, that was cut down for American release into a single album. But by the time you try to figure out ... where's the story? ... it's almost like it doesn't matter, and sometimes I don't like that in rock music, which is a bow to the fans, but sometimes not exactly a bow to the music itself (or the idea/concept!), but at least you know they are not playing an idea of music, like "rock'n'roll", which has become so meaningless it's not funny!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 13:09
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

But it also gave rise to the idea that you could put songs in a certain order, and then tell people that a story was there, and no one would know any better! The Beatles White Album is exactly that. There might be something here, or not!
 

Really? What "story" did the Beatles say was in The Beatles then?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 14:22
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

But it also gave rise to the idea that you could put songs in a certain order, and then tell people that a story was there, and no one would know any better! The Beatles White Album is exactly that. There might be something here, or not!
 

Really? What "story" did the Beatles say was in The Beatles then?
it goes something like this: "Nora Helmer once secretly borrowed a large sum of money so that her husband could recuperate from a serious illness. She never told him of this loan and has been secretly paying it back in small instalments by saving from her household allowance. Her husband, Torvald, thinks her careless and childlike, and often calls her his doll. When he is appointed bank director, his first act is to relieve a man who was once disgraced for having forged his signature on a document. This man, Nils Krogstad, is the person from whom Nora has borrowed her money. It is then revealed that she forged her father's signature in order to get the money. Krogstad threatens to reveal Nora's crime and thus disgrace her and her husband unless Nora can convince her husband not to fire him. Nora tries to influence her husband, but he thinks of Nora as a simple child who cannot understand the value of money or business. Thus, when Torvald discovers that Nora has forged her father's name, he is ready to disclaim his wife even though she had done it for him. Later when all is solved, Nora sees that her husband is not worth her love and she leaves him."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 17:36
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Because people only needed one folding cover to roll their joints on?  Wink

This, of course never ever ever happened.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 20:03
Because many double albums are boring as hell. We have as many as are necessary.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 20:38
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Because people only needed one folding cover to roll their joints on?  Wink

This, of course never ever ever happened.

Oh no, it's just an urban legend I heard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 20:44
From the band's perspective: they're probably very costly to make, both in terms of money and effort

From my perspective: They're usually not great

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 22:13
At any given time in their careers, very few bands have enough decent material to fill one album, let alone a double album. We're not talking B sides or alternate takes, but songs that are actually worthwhile for a double album. Also, back when double albums were the rage, a band usually had to have some serious clout and cajones to release a double album. 

And there's folks like George Harrison, who released the triple album All Things Must Pass, which was the greatest double album with six sides ever made.Wink Or Johnny Winter, who released a three-sided album. I don't recall any one-sided albums, but I am sure there are a few.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 22:29
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Really? What "story" did the Beatles say was in The Beatles then?
it goes something like this: "Nora Helmer once secretly borrowed a large sum of money so that her husband could recuperate from a serious illness. She never told him of this loan and has been secretly paying it back in small instalments by saving from her household allowance. Her husband, Torvald, thinks her careless and childlike, and often calls her his doll. When he is appointed bank director, his first act is to relieve a man who was once disgraced for having forged his signature on a document. This man, Nils Krogstad, is the person from whom Nora has borrowed her money. It is then revealed that she forged her father's signature in order to get the money. Krogstad threatens to reveal Nora's crime and thus disgrace her and her husband unless Nora can convince her husband not to fire him. Nora tries to influence her husband, but he thinks of Nora as a simple child who cannot understand the value of money or business. Thus, when Torvald discovers that Nora has forged her father's name, he is ready to disclaim his wife even though she had done it for him. Later when all is solved, Nora sees that her husband is not worth her love and she leaves him."

That's incredible--   now, where does Rocky Raccoon fit in to this intrigue?

Why so few double albums?  Cause it's very, very hard.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 22:45
Recently, considering that most prog bands do not get a return for their money/investment for their cd sales, this is a fact why most do not produce double albums, also a big reason is the cost I think, CDBaby who are one of the biggest distributors in the world charge twice the amount for a double album compared to a normal one, thus equal as two different albums, postage in terms of weight also does play a major role I think.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 22:55
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I don't recall any one-sided albums, but I am sure there are a few.
You mean extended plays?

Two-sided as well. Why do I forget these things? Head on wall


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2014 at 23:37
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Because many double albums are boring as hell.

Agreed. I believe that nearly 90% of double albums are way too inconsistent. If it comes to concept albums, then often on those double LPs the concept just devours music, making the record sound boring and unenthusiastic, if it' just a bunch of songs on two LPs, like 'Psychical Graffity', then those LPs suffer very often of the lack of consistency, with a bunch of very weak and unmemorable fillers beside the real good songs.

I believe that if you'll cut down any double LP to a 40 or 50 minutes long sigle LP, then you'll get a real gem. Otherwise there's no wonder than even here almost all double LPs are losing contest to just the standard albums. No wonder there is only one double LP in the PA Top 100.

Surprisingly, there was a bunch of excellent double LPs since 90's, such as Nine Inch Nail's 'The Fragile', but the very creation of those double albums takes a lot of time, much more than prog bands had back in 70's to make a record.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 00:19
There was also Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, another solid pop/rock double album from the 70's.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 00:53
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Today this is not an issue since you can put 100 minutes on a CD, and guess what ... that's like 2 and a half LP's.

Incorrect.  79.8 minutes is the upper threshold for Red Book-compliant CDs.  That's two LPs of fairly standard length (~20 minutes per side).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 01:32
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I don't recall any one-sided albums, but I am sure there are a few.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 07:41
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

But it also gave rise to the idea that you could put songs in a certain order, and then tell people that a story was there, and no one would know any better! The Beatles White Album is exactly that. There might be something here, or not!
 

Really? What "story" did the Beatles say was in The Beatles then?
it goes something like this: "Nora Helmer once secretly borrowed a large sum of money so that her husband could recuperate from a serious illness. She never told him of this loan and has been secretly paying it back in small instalments by saving from her household allowance. Her husband, Torvald, thinks her careless and childlike, and often calls her his doll. When he is appointed bank director, his first act is to relieve a man who was once disgraced for having forged his signature on a document. This man, Nils Krogstad, is the person from whom Nora has borrowed her money. It is then revealed that she forged her father's signature in order to get the money. Krogstad threatens to reveal Nora's crime and thus disgrace her and her husband unless Nora can convince her husband not to fire him. Nora tries to influence her husband, but he thinks of Nora as a simple child who cannot understand the value of money or business. Thus, when Torvald discovers that Nora has forged her father's name, he is ready to disclaim his wife even though she had done it for him. Later when all is solved, Nora sees that her husband is not worth her love and she leaves him."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 08:48
Because creating double albums are really really hard work
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 09:16
There's that old cliche that as a new band, you get 5 years to write your debut album and 3 months to write the second etc. Maybe a lot of bands are frightened of drying up at around the 3rd album stage so (wisely) keep material back to combat writer's block? ELP released four studio albums in 3 years which is kinda unheard of today. Have to agree with many of the posters that there are very few traditional 'doubles' that don't flag at least part of the way through. Still trying to think of an example in Prog that bucks this trend but ended up with only these plain vanilla rock/pop efforts:

London Calling - the Clash
Exile on Main Street - Stones
Oranges and Lemons - XTC








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