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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 09:53
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

At any given time in their careers, very few bands have enough decent material to fill one album, let alone a double album. We're not talking B sides or alternate takes, but songs that are actually worthwhile for a double album. Also, back when double albums were the rage, a band usually had to have some serious clout and cajones to release a double album. 

And there's folks like George Harrison, who released the triple album All Things Must Pass, which was the greatest double album with six sides ever made.Wink Or Johnny Winter, who released a three-sided album. I don't recall any one-sided albums, but I am sure there are a few.
 
You forgot the three sided album!
 
Monty Python!
 
Alternating grooves on Side 2 of the album I think it was. I would like to see that done on CD, but it won't happen, so the effect will be lost! Let me tell you that the folks at our radio station in Santa Barbara had screwed this one several times before realizing the joke was on them. Even the big G had his laugh, when he bought the Bok and he wanted the one without the mark on the white cover! They all had the mark! Haha!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 09:54
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Really? What "story" did the Beatles say was in The Beatles then?
it goes something like this: "Nora Helmer once secretly borrowed a large sum of money so that her husband could recuperate from a serious illness. She never told him of this loan and has been secretly paying it back in small instalments by saving from her household allowance. Her husband, Torvald, thinks her careless and childlike, and often calls her his doll. When he is appointed bank director, his first act is to relieve a man who was once disgraced for having forged his signature on a document. This man, Nils Krogstad, is the person from whom Nora has borrowed her money. It is then revealed that she forged her father's signature in order to get the money. Krogstad threatens to reveal Nora's crime and thus disgrace her and her husband unless Nora can convince her husband not to fire him. Nora tries to influence her husband, but he thinks of Nora as a simple child who cannot understand the value of money or business. Thus, when Torvald discovers that Nora has forged her father's name, he is ready to disclaim his wife even though she had done it for him. Later when all is solved, Nora sees that her husband is not worth her love and she leaves him."

That's incredible--   now, where does Rocky Raccoon fit in to this intrigue?

Why so few double albums?  Cause it's very, very hard.


 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 09:55
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Recently, considering that most prog bands do not get a return for their money/investment for their cd sales, this is a fact why most do not produce double albums, also a big reason is the cost I think, CDBaby who are one of the biggest distributors in the world charge twice the amount for a double album compared to a normal one, thus equal as two different albums, postage in terms of weight also does play a major role I think.
 
Doesn't quite explain things 30 or 40 years ago, though!
 
Tommy still sold!
 
The White Album still sold!
 
And so many others!
 
What the music folks are doing these days is sad, and will hurt the distribution of music. Pink Floyd has stated that they can not break up the long songs, but most bands do not have that ability, which means any service out there can rip you off.
 
You should have seen how pretty it was to have a banded version of "Close to the Edge" and a banded version of so many other long things.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 09:55
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 I would like to see that done on CD, but it won't happen, so the effect will be lost! 
Simples. You just turn the CD over and play the b-side. Clown
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 10:00
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 I would like to see that done on CD, but it won't happen, so the effect will be lost! 
Simples. You just turn the CD over and play the b-side. Clown
 
Nooooo ... the third track!
 
It has to be done as if the CD had alternating grooves to the end on one side, which they don't. The funny part on the MP thing was DJ's getting the finger because they thought this would play, and instead something else came on!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 10:07
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 I would like to see that done on CD, but it won't happen, so the effect will be lost! 
Simples. You just turn the CD over and play the b-side. Clown
 
Nooooo ... the third track!
 
It has to be done as if the CD had alternating grooves to the end on one side, which they don't. The funny part on the MP thing was DJ's getting the finger because they thought this would play, and instead something else came on!
The third track is on the other side. Wacko
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 11:01
I have read about many bands who wanted to release double albums in the days of vinyl only but had to trim down because the record companies didn't want them to release them and some of these tracks show up as bonus tracks on cd reissues. Some of those bands got away with it somehow, i guess because they were somewhat successful and had some decision making powers. Today's CDs have albums that should count as double albums. Personally i tend to NOT like double albums unless they are absolute masterpieces. I hate having to skip tracks and if half of the album is filler then they should liberally use their editing abilities
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 12:28
Double albums are always intriguing though not entirely advisable because even the most talented bands simply run out of ideas to really make it work.  Seems like every double album has some padding.  I usually look upon the best ones as flawed masterpieces.  Too much great music for one album, not quite enough for two. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 13:02
Ah... the old padding and/or filler myth. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 13:25
Originally posted by Prog 74 Prog 74 wrote:

Double albums are always intriguing though not entirely advisable because even the most talented bands simply run out of ideas to really make it work.  Seems like every double album has some padding.  I usually look upon the best ones as flawed masterpieces.  Too much great music for one album, not quite enough for two. 

Yeah, I know what you mean. Most albums have better side 1's than 2's as well, especially double albums IMO Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 13:47
A while ago, a friend asked me to compile my top 10 double albums. This was the list I made:

Floyd - The Wall
Genesis - Lamb
Wilco - Being There
Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
Stevie Wonder - Songs in the Key of Life
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
The Flaming Lips - Embryonic
NIN - The Fragile
Godspeed You Black Emperor - Allelujah! Don't Bend! Ascend!

Not all prog, but there are some new entries. The NIN one may have some filler, but I think the Lips' Embryonic is stellar. As far as "perfect" double album, that title goes to The Wall. I don't think there is any filler in that, especially in how each song is used live with visuals in the Roger Waters tour. I cannot imagine a song like Vera Lynn NOT being in the live show, so it is completely important on the album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 13:58
I don't know about 'the padding and filler myth', but I own most of the double's mentioned as wel as some others and when I do play them (not as much as the single albums by the same bands btw), I usually play only one of the discs/vinyl sides because the other has weaker material. But maybe that's just me.........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 14:15
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I don't know about 'the padding and filler myth', but I own most of the double's mentioned as wel as some others and when I do play them (not as much as the single albums by the same bands btw), I usually play only one of the discs/vinyl sides because the other has weaker material. But maybe that's just me.........
Which half of The Lamb Lies Down, Tales From Topographic Oceans, Quadrophenia, Tommy, The Wall, Electric Ladyland, Exile on Mainstreamstreet, 666, Tanz der Lemminge, Focus 3, Aerial is the weaker half. (Deliberately ignoring double live album of course because it's a well known fact that bands put all their weaker material in the second half of their live sets and save the really weak filler for the very end, and the weak padding songs for the encore).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 15:00
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I don't know about 'the padding and filler myth', but I own most of the double's mentioned as wel as some others and when I do play them (not as much as the single albums by the same bands btw), I usually play only one of the discs/vinyl sides because the other has weaker material. But maybe that's just me.........
Which half of The Lamb Lies Down, Tales From Topographic Oceans, Quadrophenia, Tommy, The Wall, Electric Ladyland, Exile on Mainstreamstreet, 666, Tanz der Lemminge, Focus 3, Aerial is the weaker half. (Deliberately ignoring double live album of course because it's a well known fact that bands put all their weaker material in the second half of their live sets and save the really weak filler for the very end, and the weak padding songs for the encore).


Maybe it's not so much a matter of a weaker half but simply that listening 80 minutes to one and the same artist is not be the most alluring prospect for the more casual fans?
Looking at the list above, I could argue that 666, Focus3 and Tommy have weak spots, but in fact I'm simply not the greatest fan of these artists.
So there's not necessarily anything wrong with the works, only with my interest in them



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 15:24
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

There's that old cliche that as a new band, you get 5 years to write your debut album and 3 months to write the second etc. Maybe a lot of bands are frightened of drying up at around the 3rd album stage so (wisely) keep material back to combat writer's block? ELP released four studio albums in 3 years which is kinda unheard of today. Have to agree with many of the posters that there are very few traditional 'doubles' that don't flag at least part of the way through. Still trying to think of an example in Prog that bucks this trend but ended up with only these plain vanilla rock/pop efforts:

London Calling - the Clash
Exile on Main Street - Stones
Oranges and Lemons - XTC






Oranges and Lemons is a good call, but English Settlement is a better one. No flagging there!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 15:46
The Lamb is mostly filler to my ears.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 16:06
Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

The Lamb is mostly filler to my ears.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 16:57
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Logos Logos wrote:

The Lamb is mostly filler to my ears.


Hold me back... somebody hold me back.....
 
That's another prove of the subjective that is any kind of art appreciation...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 16:58
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I don't know about 'the padding and filler myth', but I own most of the double's mentioned as wel as some others and when I do play them (not as much as the single albums by the same bands btw), I usually play only one of the discs/vinyl sides because the other has weaker material. But maybe that's just me.........
Which half of The Lamb Lies Down, Tales From Topographic Oceans, Quadrophenia, Tommy, The Wall, Electric Ladyland, Exile on Mainstreamstreet, 666, Tanz der Lemminge, Focus 3, Aerial is the weaker half. (Deliberately ignoring double live album of course because it's a well known fact that bands put all their weaker material in the second half of their live sets and save the really weak filler for the very end, and the weak padding songs for the encore).


For someone as knowledgeable and astute as yourself, I cannot fathom why you cling to the naive belief that musicians and artists don't have their bad days at the office/recording studio like the rest of us. Maybe it's just the terminology of padding and filler that irks you so?
Is it unreasonable to ask why you wouldn't acknowledge that maybe Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters Jon Anderson, Pete Townshend, Jimi Hendrix et al are occasionally guilty of letting something through that they know maybe isn't on a par with the rest of an album's material or even their previous work?. They all have managers, record companies,wives,mistresses,tax men on their back, suffer downturns in creativity, crises of confidence, deadlines to meet, impaired judgement/faculties (deliberately or otherwise) so-called writer's block and (gulp) even fall ill or just get plain vanilla jaded, lazy and sloppy, tired and emotional etc
Your final comments about double live albums are testimony to the great and the good clearly not being immunized from mediocrity.
You're starting to resemble the 13/14 edition of Man Utd.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 17:14
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I don't know about 'the padding and filler myth', but I own most of the double's mentioned as wel as some others and when I do play them (not as much as the single albums by the same bands btw), I usually play only one of the discs/vinyl sides because the other has weaker material. But maybe that's just me.........
Which half of The Lamb Lies Down, Tales From Topographic Oceans, Quadrophenia, Tommy, The Wall, Electric Ladyland, Exile on Mainstreamstreet, 666, Tanz der Lemminge, Focus 3, Aerial is the weaker half. (Deliberately ignoring double live album of course because it's a well known fact that bands put all their weaker material in the second half of their live sets and save the really weak filler for the very end, and the weak padding songs for the encore).


For someone as knowledgeable and astute as yourself, I cannot fathom why you cling to the naive belief that musicians and artists don't have their bad days at the office/recording studio like the rest of us. Maybe it's just the terminology of padding and filler that irks you so?
Is it unreasonable to ask why you wouldn't acknowledge that maybe Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters Jon Anderson, Pete Townshend, Jimi Hendrix et al are occasionally guilty of letting something through that they know maybe isn't on a par with the rest of an album's material or even their previous work?. They all have managers, record companies,wives,mistresses,tax men on their back, suffer downturns in creativity, crises of confidence, deadlines to meet, impaired judgement/faculties (deliberately or otherwise) so-called writer's block and (gulp) even fall ill or just get plain vanilla jaded, lazy and sloppy, tired and emotional etc
Your final comments about double live albums are testimony to the great and the good clearly not being immunized from mediocrity.
You're starting to resemble the 13/14 edition of Man Utd.
 
I wouldn't call an artist that one who puts in any logical order his compositions in an album, as was said here about The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway for example. Sorry but that doesn't have any sense for me, btw a complete lack of taste putting that masterpieces in the sack.


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