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Posted: July 14 2014 at 18:50 |
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I just saw this album on the store I visit regularly... but I feel it's a bit too expensive, given that I did like what I heard once from it, but not that much. It was the deluxe edition with the DVD, but it was over 30 dollars (imported). I asked if they could order the regular edition, and it was even more expensive (around 40 dollars). So I guess if it's still around in a couple of weeks I might buy it if I make up my mind, otherwise I might check the prices on Amazon.
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Posted: July 14 2014 at 06:05 |
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First impressions: a decent album with some great Tull moments, but all Anderson and his trusty flute. Nothing new under the sun but it delivers what fans come to expect from the legend.
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Posted: July 05 2014 at 01:41 |
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I don't find Anderson's vocals annoying but otherwise agree with you.
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Posted: July 04 2014 at 04:55 |
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I think the album is quite pleasant, I think it is a step up instrumentally from TAAB2. However Ian Andersons voice annoys me a bit on this one.
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Posted: June 05 2014 at 00:54 |
 richardh wrote:
HackettFan wrote:
SteveG wrote:
I was not impressed by Homo Erraticus or it's predecessor as can be seen from my reviews of both albums. The mere fact that Opahle sounds almost exactly like Martin Barre on both albums is a dead give away to Anderson's intent on making formulaic Tull sounding prog albums which I frankly find insulting. It begs one to ask the question "What is progressive about copying your own sound?" The A album was more progressive than these two albums, IMO. |
I haven't listened to the album yet, but just as an FYI to anyone who isn't aware, Florian Opahle played guitar with Greg Lake's tour sometime in the middle of the last decade. A DVD was made in 2006 called simply, Greg Lake Live. Opahle played a fair portion of Keith Emerson's parts. I wonder out loud what Opahle would sound like if he played like himself instead of someone else. |
Lake did employ a keyboard player on that tour who was also the musical director. I haven't seen the DVD for a long while so I might dig it out.. I remember going to see one of those gigs and had stayed in the worse hotel I've ever come across but that's another story.. |
Watched the DVD in its entirety and Dave Arch plays pretty much all Keith Emerson keyboard parts aided by another keyboard player on the other side of the stage when required. Opahle was certainly not brought in to play keyboard parts on guitar. Lake doesn't just play ELP songs either with a couple of Crimson songs thrown in as well as solo songs and covers of classic rock n roll tracks. Florian is obviously a very versatile guitarist but of course he is directed to play what is required here and with Ian Anderson. His versatility to adapt is obviously a strong point not a weakness.
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Posted: June 04 2014 at 16:18 |
richardh wrote:
HackettFan wrote:
SteveG wrote:
I was not impressed by Homo Erraticus or it's predecessor as can be seen from my reviews of both albums. The mere fact that Opahle sounds almost exactly like Martin Barre on both albums is a dead give away to Anderson's intent on making formulaic Tull sounding prog albums which I frankly find insulting. It begs one to ask the question "What is progressive about copying your own sound?" The A album was more progressive than these two albums, IMO. |
I haven't listened to the album yet, but just as an FYI to anyone who isn't aware, Florian Opahle played guitar with Greg Lake's tour sometime in the middle of the last decade. A DVD was made in 2006 called simply, Greg Lake Live. Opahle played a fair portion of Keith Emerson's parts. I wonder out loud what Opahle would sound like if he played like himself instead of someone else. |
Lake did employ a keyboard player on that tour who was also the musical director. I haven't seen the DVD for a long while so I might dig it out.. I remember going to see one of those gigs and had stayed in the worse hotel I've ever come across but that's another story.. |
I am now watching the DVD and guess who that keyboard player and musical director was?
Fans of the UK version of Strictly Come Dancing may know who it is. I like the programme but I never made the connection before watching the DVD
Dave Arch
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Posted: June 04 2014 at 00:59 |
HackettFan wrote:
SteveG wrote:
I was not impressed by Homo Erraticus or it's predecessor as can be seen from my reviews of both albums. The mere fact that Opahle sounds almost exactly like Martin Barre on both albums is a dead give away to Anderson's intent on making formulaic Tull sounding prog albums which I frankly find insulting. It begs one to ask the question "What is progressive about copying your own sound?" The A album was more progressive than these two albums, IMO. |
I haven't listened to the album yet, but just as an FYI to anyone who isn't aware, Florian Opahle played guitar with Greg Lake's tour sometime in the middle of the last decade. A DVD was made in 2006 called simply, Greg Lake Live. Opahle played a fair portion of Keith Emerson's parts. I wonder out loud what Opahle would sound like if he played like himself instead of someone else. |
Lake did employ a keyboard player on that tour who was also the musical director. I haven't seen the DVD for a long while so I might dig it out.. I remember going to see one of those gigs and had stayed in the worse hotel I've ever come across but that's another story..
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Posted: June 03 2014 at 21:00 |
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I didn't hear any metal guitars, or particularly heavy guitars at all... though there were some nice solos. However, I wasn't really paying my whole attention, so I might just as well have missed it. However, one brief metal moment doesn't make an album prog-folk-metal, so I do would have liked a bit more heavy moments. Actually, when I read that, I didn't really expect it to go all the way to prog metal, but at least I expected something a bit heavier than what Anderson is used to give us.
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Posted: June 03 2014 at 14:05 |
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^I read in Prog magazine that Anderson said it was to be a "prog-folk-metal album". Opaphle does drop the hammer briefly so I guess that's where the metal part comes in.
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Posted: June 02 2014 at 21:28 |
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One thing that sort of disapointed me when listening to this album on the Web was that I had once read about Ian saying it would be a sort of Prog Metal album... it seems that was only a joke (and perhaps it wasn't even Anderson's joke). It would have been cool to hear Anderson doing something a bit heavier.
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Posted: June 02 2014 at 13:21 |
^As a reply to HackettFan (cool handle  ), Opaphle seems like a Vai/Satriani type of shredder. Very technical with great speed but if he keeps doing imitation work we will never really know.
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Originally posted by SteveG
I was not impressed by Homo Erraticus or it's predecessor as can be seen from my reviews of both albums. The mere fact that Opahle sounds almost exactly like Martin Barre on both albums is a dead give away to Anderson's intent on making formulaic Tull sounding prog albums which I frankly find insulting. It begs one to ask the question "What is progressive about copying your own sound?" The A album was more progressive than these two albums, IMO.
I haven't listened to the album yet, but just as an FYI to anyone who isn't aware, Florian Opahle played guitar with Greg Lake's tour sometime in the middle of the last decade. A DVD was made in 2006 called simply, Greg Lake Live. Opahle played a fair portion of Keith Emerson's parts. I wonder out loud what Opahle would sound like if he played like himself instead of someone else.
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Posted: June 01 2014 at 19:12 |
richardh wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
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Some good tracks. Probably should have been trimmed to 40 minute album |
Actually, I believe the problem with many albums since the introduction of the CD is that many artists feel the need to fill the CD of music, and often they end up including sub-par songs in order to do that. On the time of vinyl, they had to choose better what would get in the album. |
BUT 'in the time of vinyl' you did also have 55 minute albums like SEBTP for instance that would have been better without a few tracks (imo) There will always be 'sub par' songs on any album. Have a Cigar and Siberian Khatru are two examples and there are loads more. |
Yeah, that's why I said "with many" and "often". With Have a Cigar and Siberian Khatru, indeed I like those ones less than the rest of the album, but still they are good enough not to harm the albums they come for (both of which are 5 star masterpieces for me). On the other hand, SEBTP has at least "Battle of Epping Forest", which is annoying and long enough to make me drop a star from my apreciation of it. |
yep although perhaps 'Masterpeice' should be only be reserved for those mythical albums that are completely perfect  |
Mmm... that would make "6 Wives of Henry the VIII" more of a masterpiece to me, for on that album every song is amazing in my book... however, in the end, I feel "Close to the Edge" and "Wish you Were Here" are better albums in the end (if only a little bit so). |
Yep Wakeman nailed it with Six Wives. I still remember where I was (over a friends house) when I first heard that album. I love the split of tracks drumming wise. Alan for the play loud and fast tracks , Bill for the melodic ones. Perfect  |
I have for a long time felt (as is the case with the vast majority of proggers), that White was a clear step down from Brufords virtuosity... which is rather frustrating for me, since that Yes line-up from Fragile and CttE is like the most perfect prog line-up in my book, and once Bruford left it lost that perfect quality, since White seems a step below the rest of the band. However, in Six Wives, I think White takes the best, or at least my favourite, performance of the album. I thind it's on the track Anne of Cleves, if I remember the wife correctly. |
Ann Of Cleves may actually be my favourite peice of drumming by anyone.Its scary how much I find myself agreeing with you. I need to look into my family tree.  |
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 18:38 |
SteveG wrote:
I was not impressed by Homo Erraticus or it's predecessor as can be seen from my reviews of both albums. The mere fact that Opahle sounds almost exactly like Martin Barre on both albums is a dead give away to Anderson's intent on making formulaic Tull sounding prog albums which I frankly find insulting. It begs one to ask the question "What is progressive about copying your own sound?" The A album was more progressive than these two albums, IMO. |
I haven't listened to the album yet, but just as an FYI to anyone who isn't aware, Florian Opahle played guitar with Greg Lake's tour sometime in the middle of the last decade. A DVD was made in 2006 called simply, Greg Lake Live. Opahle played a fair portion of Keith Emerson's parts. I wonder out loud what Opahle would sound like if he played like himself instead of someone else.
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 12:04 |
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^I agree. And I also like Thick as a Brick 2 quite a lot. Well done, Ian!
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 11:26 |
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I like the album. It's very old Tull derivative, which isn't a bad thing in and of itself. But I've made two new artist discoveries that I enjoy much much more...
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 11:23 |
richardh wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
richardh wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
richardh wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
richardh wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Some good tracks. Probably should have been trimmed to 40 minute album |
Actually, I believe the problem with many albums since the introduction of the CD is that many artists feel the need to fill the CD of music, and often they end up including sub-par songs in order to do that. On the time of vinyl, they had to choose better what would get in the album. |
BUT 'in the time of vinyl' you did also have 55 minute albums like SEBTP for instance that would have been better without a few tracks (imo) There will always be 'sub par' songs on any album. Have a Cigar and Siberian Khatru are two examples and there are loads more. |
Yeah, that's why I said "with many" and "often". With Have a Cigar and Siberian Khatru, indeed I like those ones less than the rest of the album, but still they are good enough not to harm the albums they come for (both of which are 5 star masterpieces for me). On the other hand, SEBTP has at least "Battle of Epping Forest", which is annoying and long enough to make me drop a star from my apreciation of it. |
yep although perhaps 'Masterpeice' should be only be reserved for those mythical albums that are completely perfect |
Mmm... that would make "6 Wives of Henry the VIII" more of a masterpiece to me, for on that album every song is amazing in my book... however, in the end, I feel "Close to the Edge" and "Wish you Were Here" are better albums in the end (if only a little bit so). |
Yep Wakeman nailed it with Six Wives. I still remember where I was (over a friends house) when I first heard that album. I love the split of tracks drumming wise. Alan for the play loud and fast tracks , Bill for the melodic ones. Perfect |
I have for a long time felt (as is the case with the vast majority of proggers), that White was a clear step down from Brufords virtuosity... which is rather frustrating for me, since that Yes line-up from Fragile and CttE is like the most perfect prog line-up in my book, and once Bruford left it lost that perfect quality, since White seems a step below the rest of the band. However, in Six Wives, I think White takes the best, or at least my favourite, performance of the album. I thind it's on the track Anne of Cleves, if I remember the wife correctly. |
Ann Of Cleves may actually be my favourite peice of drumming by anyone.Its scary how much I find myself agreeing with you. I need to look into my family tree. |
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 08:11 |
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^ Yeah, it's pretty unmemorable. Only listened to it once so far though.
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 07:25 |
I've heard it two times now and can't for the life of me remember anything from it. Meh seems like the proper verdict.
Btw I moved this to the part of the forum which is designed for these types of discussions |
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 07:06 |
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Homo Erraticus has some excellent flute playing and lyrics. For me, owning the CD with the better sound quality does it justice. I too was not thrilled listening to samples on other sites. Anyone buying Homo Erraticus should know that it is not a Jethro Tull album. If you compare it to Jethro Tull, then that is your option. As a solo album, it is excellent and way better than much of the music that is out there today.
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