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    Posted: June 23 2014 at 12:41
There seems to be a general consensus who the so called Big Five of Prog Rock are:


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ELP
Genesis
King Crimson
Pink Floyd

All of them are 70s bands from the glory days of our beloved genre.

With Prog having undergone a big revival, is it maybe time to look at the Big Five again and maybe remove one to be replaced by a group from the 80s,90s or 00s? What is your opinion? Whom would you replace with whom?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 12:42
ELP is bad. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 12:54
ELP were one of the innovators of the genre so I would take out Pink Floyd who just tagged along (allbeit selling shedloads of albums) and replace them with Dream Theater who are the most significant post 1980 prog band. I would also entertain the idea of Porcupine Tree instead of DT perhaps?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 13:06
I would probably give at least one slot to a significant Krautrock or RIO group.  The traditional Big 5 are there mainly for their popularity and influence, and there is good reason for that, but I'd want to recognize some of the leaders of the (relative) outer fringes of prog.  Say, with Can, Magma or even Zappa.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 13:12
Personally I would like to remove King Crimson as I never could get to like them but I think their influence is too important. I would thus remove ELP as I must say it is the band on the list which has probably had the least influence on other bands. With ELP gone I would, sorry, cliché cliché, have to add Dream Theater for their Genre defining influence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 13:27
The big five will always be the big five. They, along with several other bands (some of whom were less successful than these five) created the genre. No matter what new bands arise and no matter how old these bands are and whether people like them or not, they will always remain responsible for creating the genre. Now, bands like Porcupine Tree, The Flower Kings, The Tangent, Dream Theater and so on and so forth, may have helped revive the genre, and some have even taken the genre in new directions. But they didn't start it. They weren't at the forefront of the progressive rock movement of the late 60s/early 70s and barring the invention of time machine technology, they never will be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 13:37
A big five was easy but could you make a big ten list?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 13:40
Tull is missing from your list dude.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 13:54
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Tull is missing from your list dude.
Absolutely! Are we all blind?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 14:09
I feel like it would be more interesting to try listing the BIG FIVE of post 1970s prog rock.

So my post-1979 BIG FIVE list would be:

The Mars Volta
Dream Theater
Porcupine Tree
Muse
Radiohead (could probably replace either Radiohead or Muse with Tool actually.)




Basically, they fall under the same criteria that the original BIG FIVE did: prog groups who were popular (thus bringing prog into the modern mainstream), sold a lot of albums, and/or influenced a lot of bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 14:11
Originally posted by DJPuffyLemon DJPuffyLemon wrote:

I feel like it would be more interesting to try listing the BIG FIVE of post 1970s prog rock.So my post-1979 BIG FIVE list would be:The Mars VoltaDream TheaterPorcupine TreeMuseRadiohead (could probably replace either Radiohead or Muse with Tool actually.)Basically, they fall under the same criteria that the original BIG FIVE did: prog groups who were popular (thus bringing prog into the modern mainstream), sold a lot of albums, and/or influenced a lot of bands.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 14:30
i´d probably replace ELP with Tull since then we have covered symphonic, eclectic, psychedelic and folk prog Smile

a post 70s BIG FIVE would be very interesting though
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 14:49
If we're talking Prog with a big P, then I have a hard time seeing Tull taking ELPs slot. If people were to sweep all notions of self-inflicted fanboyism aside and look at this from an objective point of view, then we could possible (for once) look at this wonderful genre in the light of music history........not through some rose-tinted glasses fuelled by the gift of hindsight, a bottle of red wine and a little buddha.

Anyway, there were never anything called the "big five". All internet nonsense conjured up by folks who seem equally taken aback by words such as "greatest" and "underrated"Tongue  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 14:55
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

If we're talking Prog with a big P, then I have a hard time seeing Tull taking ELPs slot. If people were to sweep all notions of self-inflicted fanboyism aside and look at this from an objective point of view, then we could possible (for once) look at this wonderful genre in the light of music history........not through some rose-tinted glasses fuelled by the gift of hindsight, a bottle of red wine and a little buddha.
Anyway, there were never anything called the "big five". All internet nonsense conjured up by folks who seem equally taken aback by words such as "greatest" and "underrated"Tongue  
I think we all want to squeeze 15 bands into 5 slots but you know how that goes!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 14:55
When I first joined PA, the talk was of the Big 7, which also included Jethro Tull and Rush.  People who didn't like these bands or didn't feel they were prog enough, offered up their replacements, which generally consisted of the likes of Camel, Magma, Can, Gentle Giant, or VDGG.  Although all good bands, and all big within the umbrella of being important and influential within the prog community, none of these bands had the commercial appeal and success of the ones listed under the Big 7 umbrella.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 14:59
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

When I first joined PA, the talk was of the Big 7, which also included Jethro Tull and Rush.  People who didn't like these bands or didn't feel they were prog enough, offered up their replacements, which generally consisted of the likes of Camel, Magma, Can, Gentle Giant, or VDGG.  Although all good bands, and all big within the umbrella of being important and influential within the prog community, none of these bands had the commercial appeal and success of the ones listed under the Big 7 umbrella.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:03
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

When I first joined PA, the talk was of the Big 7, which also included Jethro Tull and Rush.  People who didn't like these bands or didn't feel they were prog enough, offered up their replacements, which generally consisted of the likes of Camel, Magma, Can, Gentle Giant, or VDGG.  Although all good bands, and all big within the umbrella of being important and influential within the prog community, none of these bands had the commercial appeal and success of the ones listed under the Big 7 umbrella.
I never factor in commercial success when I think of these polls (socialist that I am) but that really is an important factor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:04
Heh I was just thinking to myself: "Haven't I seen Van Der Graaf Generator mentioned in these "big 5" accumulations before?"

Gentle Giant too actually. 
I gather it also depends on where you're situated. If you grew up in say Toronto during the late 70s early 80s, I bet you'd want to include Rush in the list.....and judging purely by the level of success Rush garnered on their home turf, I guess the notion isn't half crazy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:05
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

When I first joined PA, the talk was of the Big 7, which also included Jethro Tull and Rush.  People who didn't like these bands or didn't feel they were prog enough, offered up their replacements, which generally consisted of the likes of Camel, Magma, Can, Gentle Giant, or VDGG.  Although all good bands, and all big within the umbrella of being important and influential within the prog community, none of these bands had the commercial appeal and success of the ones listed under the Big 7 umbrella.


7 wonders of the world they say, i know that many see Jethro Tull in this, but not me, i would replace Jethro by VDGG or GG. If Rush is not included on the big 5 is not a surprise here, they still are the best "cult" band. And i like them like that, don't want too many on my ship.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2014 at 15:10
i get your point, guldbamsen. however, to satisfy my rational brain´s need to categorize and make top lists, i will try it anyway Wink

not an easy task but...
the objective BIG FIVE of bands i know of, judging by influence would probably be

Marillion
Rush
Dream Theater
The Flower Kings
Porcupine Tree
?

and i just totally failed to name my personal top 5 so this post ends here..^^





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