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Mirror Image
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Posted: July 29 2014 at 19:19 |
Was King Crimson's 80s period progressive? Of course! Who told you it wasn't? Each period of King Crimson represents progressive rock in some way.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 29 2014 at 19:22 |
^Otay, Panky.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 29 2014 at 19:53 |
Absolutely, just because it wasn't rehash of '70's style prog doesn't make it any less so. Granted there was some stuff more pop, but the prog songs were good prog.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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verslibre
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Posted: July 29 2014 at 20:58 |
'80s Crim was definitely prog. Easily discernibly so. Compositions like "Indiscipine" and "The Sheltering Sky" were charting new territory.
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Svetonio
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Posted: July 29 2014 at 23:26 |
"Was early 80's King Crimson really Prog?"
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 00:41 |
80s KC was a mixed bag of The Talking Heads(not really prog, artsy yes not proggy), New Wave(not really prog) and other weird stuff(prog). Was 80s King Crimson really Prog? Yes and No
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - July 30 2014 at 00:42
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Svetonio
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 01:46 |
Mirror Image wrote:
(...) Each period of King Crimson represents progressive rock in some way. |
Exactly People who think that only symphonic prog is prog are so boring.
Edited by Svetonio - July 30 2014 at 01:58
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SteveG
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 08:09 |
Svetonio wrote:
"Was early 80's King Crimson really Prog?"
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Now I know where you get your facts Svetonio! You should consult wikipedia before talking to this lady at your country's Ministry Of Information. Nice suit by the way.
Edited by SteveG - July 30 2014 at 11:55
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 10:29 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
80s KC was a mixed bag of The Talking Heads(not really prog, artsy yes not proggy), New Wave(not really prog) and other weird stuff(prog). Was 80s King Crimson really Prog? Yes and No
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Good, honest answer. I would say 80s KC is progressive rather than prog (in the sense often used on this website, to mean something approximate to the 70s approach to prog). And because it has the King Crimson badge, it gets an easy pass in classification compared to lots of other interesting rock and pop music from the same decade. Mind you, I love Discipline, it's one of my favourite albums across genres.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 30 2014 at 12:01 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
80s KC was a mixed bag of The Talking Heads(not really prog, artsy yes not proggy), New Wave(not really prog) and other weird stuff(prog). Was 80s King Crimson really Prog? Yes and No
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This really is the most accurate answer along with Richard's as half of the material may be artsy/new wave only, so a 50/50 split is resonable but to me as half of the material is still annoying and not what I want to listen to. So cie la vie.
Edited by SteveG - August 05 2014 at 11:33
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irrelevant
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Posted: July 31 2014 at 18:47 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Absolutely, just because it wasn't rehash of '70's style prog doesn't make it any less so. Granted there was some stuff more pop, but the prog songs were good prog.
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And the pop songs were good pop.
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moshkito
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Posted: August 01 2014 at 10:34 |
Hi,
I stopped thinking of the word about 35 years ago. It's over-rated, stupid and depressing!
It has been nothing but a hassle to make up one's mind about anything, and besides, THE MUSIC IS BETTER THAN THE DEFINITION!
Edited by moshkito - August 01 2014 at 10:35
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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richardh
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Posted: August 02 2014 at 03:30 |
'Prog' and' Progressive' are not the same things. Progressive Rock as a movement barely lasted a few years imo. Prog took over as the style was established. King Crimson were one of the first bands to establish it and then break it down in equal measure. Quite clever really.
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RockHound
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Posted: August 02 2014 at 09:52 |
'80s Crimson was most assuredly prog. Their explorations of polyrhythm and modality, IMHO, are the at the core of progressive music. And they found a sound that fit very well with the music of the 1980s and yet remains fresh and relevant today.
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tamijo
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Posted: August 02 2014 at 10:04 |
The interesting question is not if it is - and that will always be up for debate. The interesting question is : why does it matter to you ? Would in the better if it was or was not prog ?
Edited by tamijo - August 02 2014 at 10:05
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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SteveG
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Posted: August 02 2014 at 10:17 |
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moshkito
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Posted: August 02 2014 at 10:58 |
Svetonio wrote:
"Was early 80's King Crimson really Prog?"
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I don't mind this cartoon but I think it is insensitive, and stupid. THERE ARE blind people out there, that can not read a sign ... but of course, you would rather laugh at their disability.
Good luck and godspeed when you are 65! You might not appreciate this as much then!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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PrognosticMind
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Posted: August 02 2014 at 12:08 |
I would most definitely consider it progressive!
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O666
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Posted: August 05 2014 at 11:29 |
moshkito wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
"Was early 80's King Crimson really Prog?"
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I don't mind this cartoon but I think it is insensitive, and stupid. THERE ARE blind people out there, that can not read a sign ... but of course, you would rather laugh at their disability.
Good luck and godspeed when you are 65! You might not appreciate this as much then! |
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O666
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Posted: August 05 2014 at 11:49 |
Some guys attacking KC and I dont know why. What is their problem? You never change opinions with this kind of posts and Questions. Why they using Questions? I think they afraid to show their opinions CLEARLY and use these kind of questions.
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