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Slartibartfast
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Topic: Rolling Stone discovers Genesis....FINALLY! Posted: October 28 2014 at 06:46 |
I thought this meant the band discovered the band, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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micky
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Posted: October 23 2014 at 16:07 |
SteveG wrote:
^True that, micky. You can't beat a dead horse but it takes no effort keep shooting at one. |
beating dead horses is particular perverse pleasure of mine. Understand completely
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Posted: October 23 2014 at 16:01 |
^True that, micky. You can't beat a dead horse but it takes no effort keep shooting at one.
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Posted: October 23 2014 at 15:55 |
This is exactly part of my beef with RS. They can put Willie on the cover and it causes me no offence. That the late great Towns Van Zandt was never on their cover is what offends me. [/QUOTE] ehhh Steve.. perhaps I am simply too mellowed out in my advancing age. RS is going to cover what they do, or not, just if they do it, you (like anything you do in life) should take some pride and do a good job. RS has long LONG since stopped being considered anything resembling a respected defining voice in music. Making or breaking groups or speaking on a basis of knowledge or authority. Hell, the fact they ignore a band (like the R&R HOF) could be now considered a badge of honor hahah. The choice of subjects, covers, or ignoring of subjects never bothered me with RS, it was just what they did sucked IMO. You have better, FAR better writers on this site. And a helluva lot more open-mindedness.. and that is saying something on a damned prog rock website
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Posted: October 23 2014 at 12:02 |
micky wrote:
hah. I just regained some semblance of respect for that magazine long since lost. My god were those top guitarists list absolute trash, done so badly they inspired websites to set things right, notably the whole DDD website which was my first foray into the whole musical internet chat site thingie (and where I first met Ivan haha), you knew you had idiots working there.
However any magazine that put Willie on the cover and honored him for the legend he is...gets forgivenous for me. Prog is nice he though is a true musical legend, and unique piece of Americana,that needs to be honored and treasured now before the sad day he finally leave us.
That is the #1 thing on my list of things to do before I die, but suppose I never will, I would give my left arm to smoke a J with Willie.
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This is exactly part of my beef with RS. They can put Willie on the cover and it causes me no offence. That the late great Towns Van Zandt was never on their cover is what offends me.
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 20:20 |
timothy leary wrote:
^why not ask him, he would probably let you keep the arm |
I tried...in lieu of the arm I even offered him a hot Italian woman who can cook up a storm and is even more of liberal firebrand than he is AND is just beginning to like his albums ..but he ignored my facebook posts on his wall. Probably thought I was a bit out there. Pfff. I sure his assistant has a date book set aside specifically for 'appointments' on the tour bus, but likely reserved only for personalities much more luminous and notable than me than want to do the same before they die.
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 20:12 |
^why not ask him, he would probably let you keep the arm
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micky
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 19:41 |
hah. I just regained some semblance of respect for that magazine long since lost. My god were those top guitarists list absolute trash, done so badly they inspired websites to set things right, notably the whole DDD website which was my first foray into the whole musical internet chat site thingie (and where I first met Ivan haha), you knew you had idiots working there. However any magazine that put Willie on the cover and honored him for the legend he is...gets forgivenous for me. Prog is nice he though is a true musical legend, and unique piece of Americana,that needs to be honored and treasured now before the sad day he finally leave us. That is the #1 thing on my list of things to do before I die, but suppose I never will, I would give my left arm to smoke a J with Willie.
Edited by micky - October 22 2014 at 19:42
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kenethlevine
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Posted: October 22 2014 at 19:16 |
I more or less stopped reading when someone said prog has no hummable tunes. What prog are you listening to?
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:49 |
^Whatever you say.
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:37 |
^ Oh and in the second video from above, filmed in 80s, at 11:34 you can see a kid who sell the second-hand LPs on the street of my hometown and show in camera that Uriah Heep's Innocent Victim the album, isn't that sweet?
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:18 |
^It's just an old Monty Python song, Svetonio. No need to hit buttons or anything of that nature. We can agree to disagree without those games.
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Svetonio
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 14:09 |
SteveG wrote:
^Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spamady Spam, Wonderful Spam! |
Bravo, Steve! You catch me there, eh? Now just hit the button for the report to the moderator and that is that.
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 13:47 |
^Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spamady Spam, Wonderful Spam!
By the way was the sound of someone crying from embarrassment?
Edited by SteveG - October 20 2014 at 13:59
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Svetonio
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 10:59 |
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SteveG
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Posted: October 20 2014 at 09:47 |
Svetonio wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Steve G is not that
uninformed, druze. Yugoslavia under Tito was, whether the people were happy or
not, a harsh one-party dictatorship. (...) | Svetonio wrote: Private business initatives also existed...
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Thank God for that, or westerners would have never had the chance to drive the thrilling, reliable 'Yugo' motor car!
Edited by SteveG - October 20 2014 at 09:50
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Svetonio
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 22:00 |
tszirmay wrote:
Steve G is not that
uninformed, druze. Yugoslavia under Tito was, whether the people were happy or
not, a harsh one-party dictatorship. (...) |
SteveG is extremly uniformed as it is usual thing with a common Americans regarding that European, especially Balkans history. Tito's Yougoslavia, following the great experiment of self-managment socialism, actually was un-party society since 1952 when the Communist party was completely reformed and change the name in The League of Communists of Yugoslavia. A dictatorship as it was in the Warsaw Pact countries, or Pinochet's dictatorship, or Franco's Spain, or dictatorship during the military goverment in Greece, there wasn't nothing like that in Tito's Yugoslavia. Self-management socialism was not a statism; it was quite opposite to statism. That centralized management of the economy as it was in the countries of the Warsaw Pact, and (or) as it was the case with above mentioned fascists goverments, was abandoned in Yugosalvia in 1950, two years after the break with Stalin. Also, unlikely of the Warsaw pact countries, both horizontal and vertical social mobility existed in former Yugosalavia. The media were free, except for those who wanted to celebrate the defeated fascist forces and that terrible, fascists system in Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Private business initiatives also existed, and there was encouraged loans to launch industrial plants privately owned; what was forbidden, it is a speculative capital in a private property. I'll stop here. This is now too much politics for the music forum. Also, I have nothing to discuss with anti-communists. If somebody wanna be informed about "Serbia behind the Iron Curtain", there are a lot of both positive and negative articles at intermet about Yugoslavian self-management socialism due the fact that was an unique economics system in the World at that time.
Edited by Svetonio - October 18 2014 at 22:05
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tszirmay
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 20:50 |
Steve G is not that
uninformed, druze. Yugoslavia under Tito was, whether the people were happy or
not, a harsh one-party dictatorship. And rightly so, as Tito understood that if
he didn't keep his vitriolic and revenge-minded republics in line, serious
problems would occur. Apres moi le deluge (after me the flood), as soon as he
died, the system of revolving presidencies became revolving bitterness, as Serb
fascists, Croat fascists , Slovene fascists and Montenegrin fascists began
bickering. You may also remember that 70s Yugoslavia had the largest standing
army in Europe. I met a few Yugoslavs in Switzerland and when when I asked
whether they were Serb or Croat, they responded in fear "shhhh, the word
is Yugoslav". Uttering either nationality would get you a good stiff
beating at the hands of the Yugoslav police.
BTW, I did my law exam on
Yugoslavia in 1974, and have written numerous articles on the subject. In fact,
at one point before the civil war started, I suggested to evacuate all the
women and children, drop all the weapons the world could spare (not really
necessary as Yugoslavia was one of the world’s largest arms manufacturers), and
let the men all kill themselves. All my Croat, Serb, Macedonian and Albanian
friends cheered it as a great idea. There was a curtain of endless revenge over
Yugoslavia, a Yugoslav curtain not a Soviet one. Tito got it, no one else did.
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Svetonio
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 20:26 |
SteveG wrote:
(...) Look where they are now and where Serbia is. (...) |
Serbia is now a rotting corpse, just like others ex-Yugoslavia Republics, or Detroit, or poor parts of Russia. Neo-liberal ecomomics as an ideology since the time of President Reagan to now, is terrible for more or less the whole globe. It was a nice Detroit hotel's ballroom at its time, isn't?
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 20:13 |
Horizons wrote:
I'm going to devote the next hour to watching both of those videos as reading your text.
Or am I.. |
You don't need to watch them, nor I expect that from you. I posted them just to prove that SteveG's little story about Serbia (ex-Yugoslavia) as a country "behind the Iron Curtain" is in fact a false story and a silly argument in this discussion. That Rolling Stone in its heydays was the Rock mag, as for example the Progarchives.com is the Prog site. So, if somebody from States, UK or People Republic of China was expected from the Rock magazine as RS to write equally about Prog, it was the same stupidity as to expect that the reviewers at Progarchives.com write about Born To Run as much as about Close To The Edge.
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