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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 17:26
I think Soft Machine's debut is every bit as "proggy" as ITCOTCK.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 17:29
Originally posted by Bluesaga Bluesaga wrote:

I think Soft Machine's debut is every bit as "proggy" as ITCOTCK.


Yes, of course, you're right. Their debut was the most inventive and innovative album to come out at the time. People just dismiss it over ITCOTCK because the KC album is sort of symphonic and Vol. 1 isn't. Symphonic doesn't always mean Prog people. Surely, someone agrees with me...

EDIT: I should say Prog doesn't always have to be Symphonic.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 17:46
Here we go again with this topic. Does anyone out there know when this obviously ambiguous title " progressive rock" was first used and who it initially applied to? I sure as heck  don`t. In my opinion ( and everyone has one ) it has to be The Nice. The did a lot of " proggy " thing before anyone else such as playing with a symphony orchestra, mixing rock stylings with the classics and playing long extended pieces. Face it we`ll never all agree on this one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2006 at 19:23

Hmmm.  This thread has been repeated to a nauseating degree, and shows up anew every few months.  It sure would be good to limit the topics so they we don't have to keep "reinventing the wheel" and rediscussing the same things over and over.

Well.....that said, I don't think you're going to get agreement as to the "first prog. album".  It's just too subjective and varies with opinion from one person to the next.  The best you can do is agree that there was a progressive movement that started forming in the years 1966-1969.  Before 1969's ITKOTCK, you had albums like The Moody Blues 1968 "In Search of the Lost Chord" and the The Mothers of Invention 1967 "We're Only in it For the Money", just to name a few.  There wasn't some big cosmic explosion and whallah "prog now exists".  It evolved over a few years until 1970 when it really took off.

Again, many people on this site are looking for simple ways to look at music (black/white, on/off, yes/no, best/worst, etc.)  There's lots of flow within prog, and it doesn't lend itself well to the naive and simplistic approach of making everything fit in nice little boxes for our convenience...

 

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 16:23

No, For me the first VERY prog album is:

 

THE NICE

 

THOUGH OF EMERLIST DAVJACK

 

But IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING is the FIRST album of ADULT PROG!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2006 at 16:28

Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

King Crimson their first album has obvious echoes from Colosseum and The Moody Blues, these bands along with The Nice, Vanilla Fudge and Procol Harum spearheaded the progressive rock movement in my opinion. Perhaps you can say that In The Court Of The Crimson King was the first symphonic rock album?

Absolutely spot on! You certainly know about the history of progressive music! Alll those bands and others predate ITCOTCK by at least two years!

I would also add that The Nice's 'Five Bridges' was the first concept album by a prog band!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2006 at 03:39
Moody Blues, Procol Harum, Traffic, Hendrix (1983... A Merman I Shall Turn To Be) and some Jazz based bands like Colosseum, Keef Hartley Band and even Fleetwood Mac, have all been influential to the prog rock sound.  People in the late '60s wanted something different and this what they got.  As people have said, it developed, it didn't just arrive with King Crimson.  The same with Rock and Roll, it didn't just arrive from nowhere.

Don't forget VdGG's first album (Aerosol Grey Machine) was released in 1969 and two of the tracks off that album were recorded in January 1969 (Afterwards and Necromancer).  Admittedly they're not as advanced as some of the stuff off ITCOTCK, but again, it's still a forerunner and influential.  Then you had stuff with prog tendencies, like early Floyd, The Koobas, Iron Butterfly, The Misunderstood, Juicy Lucy, Giles, Giles and Fripp and many more.

There is no definitive answer.  But ITCOTCK was certainly brilliant and influential and broke a mold in a way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2006 at 07:08

 

  my opinion is yes. The nice, procul harem and the Moody Blues did pop with progressive elements.

But ITCOTKC was a landmark in that there was no attempt at a hit, nothing radio friendly just prog throughout.A new genre was born.

 It is the first album soley in the prog vain. It sent a benchmark for other bands. Genesis started by trying to sound like the moody blues but Trespass, Nursey Cryme and Foxtrot were in similar vain to ITCOTKC as being pure prog. But in SEBTP they had more fool me and I know what I like which were attempts at radio friendly .

By the late 70s the pure prog of ITCOTKC was no longer fashionable.

 Apparently February was the 30th anniversary of the birth of punk. The article mentioned three things about the music scene at that time

 1 DSOTM had been in the charts for 144 weeks

 2 Rick Wakeman was doing myths and legends om ice at Wembley

 and 3 Johnny Rotten was wearing a I hate pink Floyd tee shirt.

 So it seems 1969 to 1977 was the era of prog

 So I think the genre we love took birth with ITCOTKC though the roots were there earlier.

 So in 2009 let us celebrate 40 years of prog

 

How wonderful to be so profound
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2006 at 15:40

Alright, lots of you have made their point. Maybe my question was not very original, but hey, I'm rather new here! And alright, my definition of prog is subjective. I'm sorry, but to me KC is synonim to prog with lots of symphonic elements. Don't get me wrong. I don't hate more popular music like Pink Floyd's: both prog and sometimes commercial too. In fact, I love 'm. Still I prefer their less commercial tracks. Like with Genesis. The Peter Gabriel era was to me their best.

All of you will agree with me on the fact that King Crimson is, as far as I know, the only progband without real wide public commercial succes. The already mentioned album ITCOTCK was probably their greatest succes.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2006 at 18:52

There was no "first real prog. album".  Get used to it!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2006 at 19:09

I am not saying the first but the band Touch recorded a self titled album in 1968 with an early 1969 release date that boy, I tell you there are parts that sound like Yes and Genesis in there.  The organ sound was almost identical to Keith Emerson's the vocals in parts were uncannily like Jon Anderson. The band only made this one album and disbanded because they felt they couldn't recreate the music live.  Remember no mellotron or synths on this and surely was influenced by psychedelic music as they were from America. Someone asked when the term  progressive rock was first used and it really described a time period.  Form 1966-75 there was a lot of progressive rock. Growing up in that time we used the term for a lot of different things.  

 



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