Phil Collins: A Nasty Man?

Guillermo wrote: I agree. Phil Collins (like Trevor Rabin in YES) is the favourite "scapegoat" for blaming someone of Prog bands becoming Pop bands in the 80s, but he and Rabin didn`t have total contol of the bands. The other members of the bands also wanted the change in musical direction. But Collins is even more "hated" than Rabin, and I still don`t understand why he is very hated  .

Because Rabin was an outsider, that left the band and Yes returned to Prog, even during the Rabin years, Yes tours kept being mainly Prog, and Rabin never said anything nasty about early Yes or Prog.

Phil Collins was a Genesis man, and you have to recognize it, he spoke too much against early Genesis and threw crap with electric fan to Prog icons like Pink Floyd, Yes, ELP, etc. And to make it worst, Genesis never returned to Prog.

Iván

 

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amprog91 wrote: I think he was at his peak when he did those songs for Tarzan...

 

MattNYR wrote: I am a big fan of Phil Collins performing live with Genesis. And the tamborine dance on I Know What I Like is just spectacular . Seconds Out and Three Sides Live are both great, Seconds Out more so than the latter. I also have one question. At the end of Seconds Out and Three Sides Live, you can hear the same song being played in the background as Genesis is leaving the stage. What is this song and did they always use it as exit music?

It is a song called "There`s no Business like Show Business" which *was originally  sung by a singer called Ethel Merman . *It is a song from a Broadway production called "Annie Get Your Gun". I have this song in a CD called "Post Card" from a singer called Mary Hopkin, produced by Paul McCartney for Apple Records. It is the same song.  I don`t know if Genesis used this song at the end of their concerts, but maybe they used it for their 1976 and 1977 tours, as it can be listened in "Seconds Out" (mainly recorded in 1977) and in "Three Sides Live" after the "It/Watcher of the Skies" song (rec. in 1976) included in that album. I have a bootleg called "Follow you Follow Me" recored during their 1978 tour (a full concert), and it wasn`t included at the end of the concert. Maybe it was edited out, but I really don`t know.

*The booklet notes of this CD say that.

By the way, I don`t like Broadway productions.It doesn`t mean that I don`t like "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway"

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As soon as Peter Gabriel left Genesis it was certain the band would turn Pop.

You can watch the change from Psychedelic Badasses to Whimpering Puppies from 1969 to 1978; it all happened very fast. And a lot of people CORRECTLY IDENTIFY that Phil Collins is the reason Genesis went pop. Just look at his solo works; he ruined one hell of a band.

BTW, David Gilmour realized he was living his life wrong around 1975 and changed himself; in the last 30 years he's been a prominent philanthropist, donating countless hours and millions of dollars.

Roger Waters was too self-indulgent for the rest of the band and was practically FORCED to leave. They resented that he had kicked out Syd Barrett. I don't think they ever got over that. They loved having him around more than anything else.

Nick Mason is without a doubt the 'nice guy' of Pink Floyd. He's quiet and mysterious, but he's very witty and puts his family first.

And what else is there to say about Rick Wright? He is a LOT like Rick Wakeman from Yes. Silent but powerful... I think a lot of the time Roger Waters was envious of Rick's works.


RUSH? They're all great guys, they're all VERY intelligent. They're philanthopists too, but then they always were.

DeepPhreeze wrote: As soon as Peter Gabriel left Genesis it was certain the band would turn Pop. You can watch the change from Psychedelic Badasses to Whimpering Puppies from 1969 to 1978; it all happened very fast. And a lot of people CORRECTLY IDENTIFY that Phil Collins is the reason Genesis went pop. Just look at his solo works; he ruined one hell of a band. BTW, David Gilmour realized he was living his life wrong around 1975 and changed himself; in the last 30 years he's been a prominent philanthropist, donating countless hours and millions of dollars. Roger Waters was too self-indulgent for the rest of the band and was practically FORCED to leave. They resented that he had kicked out Syd Barrett. I don't think they ever got over that. They loved having him around more than anything else. Nick Mason is without a doubt the 'nice guy' of Pink Floyd. He's quiet and mysterious, but he's very witty and puts his family first. And what else is there to say about Rick Wright? He is a LOT like Rick Wakeman from Yes. Silent but powerful... I think a lot of the time Roger Waters was envious of Rick's works. RUSH? They're all great guys, they're all VERY intelligent. They're philanthopists too, but then they always were.

Some last  commentaries about Genesis becoming a Pop band:

Their very underrated "...and then there were three..." album is an album on which most songs were composed by Banks and Rutherford. Collins was then with his attention more focused in his personal problems with his then wife. He contributed less to that album in comparison to Banks and Rutherford. This is for some people the album which indicated the change of musical direction to Pop Rock. The hit single "Folow You, Follow Me" was a song started by Rutherford in words and music, plus additional music by Banks and Collins. So, their change in musical direction was the responsibility of the three, and maybe more of Rutherford and Banks, as Collins didn`t contribute the same as the other two members in that album. See http://genesis-path.net/art82-03.html if you want more information.

About Pink Floyd asking Syd Barrett to leave the band*:

Waters was the one who talked with Barrett and with their managers about it, but Mason and Wright also said in interviews that they were tired of having Barrett in the band, because he couldn`t function in the band anymore. There were concerts in late 1967 when Barrett was on stage doing nothing or playing a chord in all songs while the other three members were trying to play their songs without him. After he was asked to leave, their managers went with him, and left Pink Floyd without managers because they could not imagine the band without Barrett. It was a decision took as a band. They also had Gilmour playing guitar with them in the last weeks Barrett was in the band in early 1968. They even wanted to have Barrett as a "Brian Wilson": as a composer who doesn`t play or record with them, but Barrett didn`t like the idea.

About the Waters/ Pink Floyd split*:

Waters said in December 1985 that he was leaving Pink Floyd, and that he wanted the band to split and not to use again the name of the band. Mason and Gilmour didn`t agree with him, because they still  had plans to record new albums as Pink Floyd. So, in 1986 a legal battle started with Waters to use the name of the band. Waters wasn`t forced to leave. He left the band and wanted to dissolve it.

*I read all this information in two books about Pink Floyd: one written by Miles (Omnibus Press, 1987), and another written by William Ruhlmann (Magna Books, 1994).

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oh, I did not know N sync were in the soundtrack. Ugh. That IS nasty. But I'm referring to the songs only, not the soundtrack.

I never really thought about Phil being the one that changed the direction of Genesis until I saw the band perform in 1983.  During the concert, a member of the audience yelled out "Watcher of the Skies" to which the wonderful Mr Collins replied "We don't play that piece of sh*t"

   I never realised there was so much vitriol directed towards PC . I agree with the opinions expressed by PETER RIDEOUT< for what it's worth.