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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2007 at 01:34
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

I am actually becoming very intrigued with Jazz rock, recomendations?

this list is my "top five" albums of the genre:
 
1)   Return To Forever : "Where Have I Know You Before"
 
2)   Weather Report :"I Sing The Body Electric"
 
3)   If : "Waterfall "      
 
4)  Back Door : "Activate"
 
5)  Terje Rypdal¨: "Odissey"
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2007 at 01:41
...and five from me

Colosseum ll Electric Savage
Tony Williams Emergency
Allan Holdsworth i.o.u.
Niacin Organik
Bruford Feels Good to Me






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2007 at 11:59
I actually think Radiohead could pull off being a jazz band to some extent....parts of Amnesiac hint at such anyway

as for Jazz recommendations, a recent jazz *non prog* album I've been listening to is Clifford Brown and Max Roach's "Study in Brown"...good, uptempo jazz


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 01:53
Prog has always attracted a rather high level of musicianship, so I really doubt that there are many top flight prog groups who would not be up to the demands of jazz.  Of course there is more to jazz than technical skill, but I would think that most people who had the chops could learn the rest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 09:44
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

Prog has always attracted a rather high level of musicianship, so I really doubt that there are many top flight prog groups who would not be up to the demands of jazz.  Of course there is more to jazz than technical skill, but I would think that most people who had the chops could learn the rest.
 
The new solo album Double Talk  by Theo Travis (Gong and Soft Machine Legacy) readily demonstrates how a jazz musician easily slips in prog rock  and blues rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 11:27
Schizo, my classic fusion top 5:

Black Market
Unorthodox Behaviour
Inner Mounting Flame
Return To Forever
Hot Rats

(you might also want to try some SBB, Leb I Sol, Area, Colosseum)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 12:41
Surely many  of the bands or albums cited here, won't be out of place in lists of jazz rock bands or albums. The thread specifically states  Prog bands that could play Jazz. To continue from above: the new Theo Travis album reminds me both:
a) many of the early prog bands started off with members who played jazz professionally
b) prog bands realising they needed to broaden and deepen their music, subsequently took on board jazz players.
 
King Crimson fits both (a) and (b) - for as an example of (b) Mel Collins had previously played professionally in a jazz/jazz-rock group Circus - a fact omitted in the Wikipaedia entry on Collins.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 12:53
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Surely many  of the bands or albums cited here, won't be out of place in lists of jazz rock bands or albums. The thread specifically states  Prog bands that could play Jazz. To continue from above: the new Theo Travis album reminds me both:
a) many of the early prog bands started off with members who played jazz professionally

b) prog bands realising they needed to broaden and deepen their music, subsequently took on board jazz players.

 

King Crimson fits both (a) and (b) - for as an example of (b) Mel Collins had previously played professionally in a jazz/jazz-rock group Circus - a fact omitted in the Wikipaedia entry on Collins.

 

 




I think I have mentioned this to you before, but my take on things is that a lot of aspiring young jazz musicians in the mid-60s didn't want to deal with the jazz establishment. Also with rock starting to open up it probably seemed a lot more fun and profitabe to play your jazz licks on a rock stage.
I also think with the major cutural shifts going on at that time, a lot of these guys were not just into jazz anymore but also raga, Dylan, Beatles etc.
I know Ratledge, Allaen, Wyatt, Lord, Emerson, Auger and many others were definitly playing jazz as young men when the big changes of the 60s hit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 15:48

All the canterbury bands.. Soft machine, caravan, hatefield and the north.. maybe.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 15:59
IMO Focus could play jazz quite easily...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 17:34
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

Schizo, my classic fusion top 5:

Black Market
Unorthodox Behaviour
Inner Mounting Flame
Return To Forever
Hot Rats

(you might also want to try some SBB, Leb I Sol, Area, Colosseum)

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Andu, you could be me with that list! Thumbs%20Up But I would also add some modern material, like Hectic Watermelon - not exactly classic, nor classic like, but they fit the question that this thread is about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2007 at 17:46
Focus are the best example of this, every single member of there original line-up could have been a master of jazz music if they so wished, and this shines through quite obviously in such Focus songs as "Anonymous" and "Bennie Helder", to name a few.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2007 at 05:59
Originally posted by cynthiasmallet cynthiasmallet wrote:

Focus are the best example of this, every single member of there original line-up could have been a master of jazz music if they so wished, and this shines through quite obviously in such Focus songs as "Anonymous" and "Bennie Helder", to name a few.
 
I'm sure folks appreciate that Thijs Van Leer and Jan Akkerman actually went on to carve out career sas in jazz rock fusionists. The jazz rock fraternity nowadays rates Akkerman as one of the major European jazz guitarists.
 
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Oddly Akkerman and Van Leer came back together in the 80's to record an album of ambient rock jazz (to be honest probably the least jazz recording in their combined histories) and called the album Focus!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2007 at 20:40
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by cynthiasmallet cynthiasmallet wrote:

Focus are the best example of this, every single member of there original line-up could have been a master of jazz music if they so wished, and this shines through quite obviously in such Focus songs as "Anonymous" and "Bennie Helder", to name a few.
 
I'm sure folks appreciate that Thijs Van Leer and Jan Akkerman actually went on to carve out career sas in jazz rock fusionists. The jazz rock fraternity nowadays rates Akkerman as one of the major European jazz guitarists.
 
Thijs%20Van%20Leer,Introspection,UK,Deleted,LP%20RECORD,356339
 
Oddly Akkerman and Van Leer came back together in the 80's to record an album of ambient rock jazz (to be honest probably the least jazz recording in their combined histories) and called the album Focus!


Hell, yes!! Big%20smile.... Do listen to Akkerman's self titled effort..... very jazzy and nice....

I've heard all the Instrospections Wink by Thys....... but they're mainly classical music!..... I mean, they're mostly classical tunes by classic musicians...... if not, the tracks are re-issues of Focus tracks arranged by orchestra, which sounds also like classical music.... but far from being jazz fusion IMO!! Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2007 at 19:32
Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by cynthiasmallet cynthiasmallet wrote:

Focus are the best example of this, every single member of there original line-up could have been a master of jazz music if they so wished, and this shines through quite obviously in such Focus songs as "Anonymous" and "Bennie Helder", to name a few.
 
I'm sure folks appreciate that Thijs Van Leer and Jan Akkerman actually went on to carve out career sas in jazz rock fusionists. The jazz rock fraternity nowadays rates Akkerman as one of the major European jazz guitarists.
 
Thijs%20Van%20Leer,Introspection,UK,Deleted,LP%20RECORD,356339
 
Oddly Akkerman and Van Leer came back together in the 80's to record an album of ambient rock jazz (to be honest probably the least jazz recording in their combined histories) and called the album Focus!


Hell, yes!! Big%20smile.... Do listen to Akkerman's self titled effort..... very jazzy and nice....

I've heard all the Instrospections Wink by Thys....... but they're mainly classical music!..... I mean, they're mostly classical tunes by classic musicians...... if not, the tracks are re-issues of Focus tracks arranged by orchestra, which sounds also like classical music.... but far from being jazz fusion IMO!! Shocked


EmbarrassedMy mistake for putting up the wrong Thijs Van Leer LP sleeve - picked the only one that came quickly to hand on the web.  I have one album on vinyl with well known American jazz sessionists: Nice To Have Meet You (UK cat no CBS 86059), with Eric Gale, Steve Khan, Anthony Jackson, Harvey Mason, the Breckers, Tom Scott, etc. Definitely jazz fusion!Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2007 at 23:28

although Steely Dan are not in a prog-rock genre, they made one of the jazz-rock masterpieces with their an enticing album  Aja .Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2007 at 10:00
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by cynthiasmallet cynthiasmallet wrote:

Focus are the best example of this, every single member of there original line-up could have been a master of jazz music if they so wished, and this shines through quite obviously in such Focus songs as "Anonymous" and "Bennie Helder", to name a few.
 
I'm sure folks appreciate that Thijs Van Leer and Jan Akkerman actually went on to carve out career sas in jazz rock fusionists. The jazz rock fraternity nowadays rates Akkerman as one of the major European jazz guitarists.
 
Thijs%20Van%20Leer,Introspection,UK,Deleted,LP%20RECORD,356339
 
Oddly Akkerman and Van Leer came back together in the 80's to record an album of ambient rock jazz (to be honest probably the least jazz recording in their combined histories) and called the album Focus!


Hell, yes!! Big%20smile.... Do listen to Akkerman's self titled effort..... very jazzy and nice....

I've heard all the Instrospections Wink by Thys....... but they're mainly classical music!..... I mean, they're mostly classical tunes by classic musicians...... if not, the tracks are re-issues of Focus tracks arranged by orchestra, which sounds also like classical music.... but far from being jazz fusion IMO!! Shocked


EmbarrassedMy mistake for putting up the wrong Thijs Van Leer LP sleeve - picked the only one that came quickly to hand on the web.  I have one album on vinyl with well known American jazz sessionists: Nice To Have Meet You (UK cat no CBS 86059), with Eric Gale, Steve Khan, Anthony Jackson, Harvey Mason, the Breckers, Tom Scott, etc. Definitely jazz fusion!Wink
 
Nice to Have met you is also a good album, that I haven't listened as much as the Introspections. Yeah, quite jazzy. Reccomended. Star
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2007 at 12:18
Rick Wright was a jazz aficionado in his youth, but not much seems to have found its way onto Floyd albums... Pow.R Toc.H springs to mind tho.
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