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Avantgardehead 
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 Topic: Tool a Heavy Prog band ?
Posted: August 29 2008 at 02:37 |
 HughesJB4 wrote:
Avantgardehead wrote:
Doesn't fit in heavy prog, but they're definitely not metal either.
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Rock riffs, rock structure, rock emphasis on vocalist. Basically, compare Tool to any real metal band and the glaring differences become glaringly apparent.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:08 |
Dean wrote:
"Everyone thought we were a hard metal band," Adam Jones recalled to Chuck Crisfulli in Guitar Player, "but our tastes run through Joni Mitchell, King Crimson, Depeche Mode, and country {music}. We're not a metal band, rock band, or a country band. We're Tool."
...so that settles it - new subgenre needed : Teuhl
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Haha, we'd have so many subgenres if we did that with all of the bands. It would solve everything though. 
Edited by MovingPictures07 - August 28 2008 at 20:08
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hawkcwg
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:07 |
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I would call there overplayed mainstream stuff pop. And Yes was
considered pop when they started out. And Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd
def. had some poppy stuff. But you know not all pop is bad but most of
it like anything by these new boy groups and popular women are usually
pretty lame, and The Beatles was also considered pop in some aspects.
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hawkcwg
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 20:06 |
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I would call there overplayed mainstream stuff pop. And Yes was considered pop when they started out. And Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd def. had some poppy stuff. But you know not all pop is bad but most of it like anything by these new boy groups and popular women are usually pretty lame, and The Beatles was also considered pop in some aspects.
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Dean
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:23 |
I'll leave the Crossover Prog door open just incase... 
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JROCHA
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:06 |
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So would you call Rush,Pink Floyd,Tull,and Yes pop ? Because there music gets played on mainstream rock radio all the time.
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Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights...
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hawkcwg
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 19:00 |
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I just think they are getting to mainstream. Pretty much if they are played on the mainstream popular radio stations they are poppy and mainstream.
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JROCHA
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 18:58 |
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Hey Hawkcwg i wouldn't call a 7 minute song poppy. And also Wings pt 1 and 2 from 10,000 days far from pop.
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Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights...
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sleeper
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 18:56 |
^There's nothing "poppy" about 10 000 Days. 
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hawkcwg
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 14:52 |
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Tool is becoming a little to mainstream for me you know they kinda seem like they're going to be the next disturbed you know they have some good songs but those get played way to much on crappy radio channels. And there music is becoming almost poppy
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 03:01 |
JROCHA wrote:
Lately I been thinking should Tool be in the Heavy Prog category. Yeah they have metal in their music but they are not really a all Prog Experimental metal band like a Isis or Pelican . Choose yes or no. And Tool haters stay away from this poll there are many of you on this site!
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Isis and Pelican are Post Metal bands ... that's only one half of this combined category. The other half is Experimental Metal, and IMO that's a good description of Lateralus.
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alanerc
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 22:27 |
They're heavy, but not to be in heavy prog they're more... toolish
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topofsm
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 20:54 |
^ Dean, your post is made of win. 
laplace wrote:
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I've always thought of metal as a more intelligent form of music. |
than what? |
Most music except for Jazz and Classical. I tend think of it as the most intelligent musical genre where a musical education isn't all that necessary. Not that I like the musically stupid metal bands.
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Dean
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 19:57 |
"Everyone thought we were a hard metal band," Adam Jones recalled to Chuck Crisfulli in Guitar Player, "but our tastes run through Joni Mitchell, King Crimson, Depeche Mode, and country {music}. We're not a metal band, rock band, or a country band. We're Tool."
...so that settles it - new subgenre needed : Teuhl
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Dim
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 18:12 |
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I guess I did explain myself well enough!
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 18:04 |
Dim wrote:
There is a fine line between heavy music and metal, and I think Tool cross over into metal. Constant Drop D playing, heavy on the distortion, and dont tend to do standard rock things, like pick up the acoustics.
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I used to think Tool would fit better in Heavy Prog as well...until I realized this.
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sleeper
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 17:57 |
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Metal, no question.
and the Experimental/Post Metal genre has more than just Post Metal in it, as witnesed by Dark Suns, Green Carnation, In the Woods, Indukti, Tool, Kayo Dot, maudlin of the Well, Orphaned Land etc.... None of which have much conection to the Post Metal bands like Isis, Pelican, Cult of Luna etc....
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toolis
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 04:04 |
when i listen to Tool, i hear a mix of Led Zeppelin and KC.. what does that make them?
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 02:51 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
Doesn't fit in heavy prog, but they're definitely not metal either.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 02:49 |
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Doesn't fit in heavy prog, but they're definitely not metal either.
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