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    Posted: August 17 2011 at 05:32
What was historically earliest progressive rock "epic" composition?

To be precise, what I mean  by "epic" - It's long multi-part song, similar to classical suite in composition; 20 min jamming of blues/hard rock band is NOT an epic in this context

I consider  "In Held Twas In I" from 1968 Procol Harum album, ~ 17 min

but was there something earlier ?
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 07:53
Originally posted by awaken77 awaken77 wrote:

What was historically earliest progressive rock "epic" composition?

To be precise, what I mean  by "epic" - It's long multi-part song, similar to classical suite in composition; 20 min jamming of blues/hard rock band is NOT an epic in this context

I consider  "In Held Twas In I" from 1968 Procol Harum album, ~ 17 min

but was there something earlier ?


 
I don't think so. Smile
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Points: 7026 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 11:08
As early as 1965 the sadly overlooked band Cauliflour released their 18 minutes long epic called A Milk Snake Charmers Dairy, divided into four parts, or moosements as they called them:

Moosement I: The snort of the Cobra King
Moosement II: They Tell Us of Your Poison (Now We Know)
Moosement III: Milk the Snake
Moosement IV: Wee Cow Now










LOL
But seriously, I think Procol Harum were the first.
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Points: 26199 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 16:38
Originally posted by awaken77 awaken77 wrote:

What was historically earliest progressive rock "epic" composition?

To be precise, what I mean  by "epic" - It's long multi-part song, similar to classical suite in composition; 20 min jamming of blues/hard rock band is NOT an epic in this context

I consider  "In Held Twas In I" from 1968 Procol Harum album, ~ 17 min

but was there something earlier ?


 
The Nice - Ars Long Vita Brevis (released at the same time) was about 18 minutes longTongue
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Points: 2866 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2011 at 17:14
Frank Zappa's The Return Of The Son Of Monster Magnet came out in 1966 and is twelve minutes long.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Oops, did not read all of what you said. I don't know if you consider wierd crazy stuff in your definition so this might be the first or might not.


Edited by Sheavy - August 17 2011 at 17:18
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i Believe the first TRUE epic was Lizard by king crimson
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I just bought Shine On Brightly today and heard "In Held Twas In I" for the first time.  Long? Yes.  Prog? Not sure yet...
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Don't know if this is prog or epic enough for you but you will find these on PA:
 

Da-da-dee/Bolivar blues (11:51) recorded 1963/ released 2001 Soft Machine ”Man in a deaf Corner: Anthology 1963-1970”

Raga (32:09) recorded 1964 / released 1968 Seventh Sons “Raga (4 AM at Frank’s)”

The Return Of The Son Of Monster Magnet (12:17) 1966 Frank Zappa “Freak out!”

And I like it (10:36) recorded 1966 / released ? Jefferson Airplane

Carnival of Light (?:?) recorded 1967 / never released The Beatles

The End (11:35) 1967 The Doors “The Doors”

Interstellar Overdrive (16:46) 1967? Pink Floyd “Tonite let’s all make love in London…plus”

Nick's Boogie (11:50) recorded 1967 / released 1999 Pink Floyd “Pink Floyd London 1966-1967”

Revelation (18:56) 1967 Love “Da Capo”

When The Music's Over (11:00) 1967 The Doors “Strange Days”

In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (17:05) 1967 Iron Butterfly "In-a-Gadda-da-Vida"

How Suite It Is (12:16) 1967 Jefferson Airplane “After Bathing At Baxter’s”.

Empires of the Sun (15:52), Hapshash & The Coloured Coat

Hope For Happiness (13:19) Sept 1967/released 2006/2001 Soft Machine “Middle Earth Masters” and “Man in a deaf Corner”

In the Stable of the Sphinx (11:10) recorded 1968 / released 2004 East Of Eden ”Mercator Projected”

Ars Longa Vita Brevis suite (19.26) November 1968 The Nice “Ars Longa Vita Brevis”

What Love (Suite) (19:15) 1968 The Collectors.

Lumpy Gravy (31:39) 1968 Frank Zappa “Lumpy Gravy”.

I put my hands on your shoulder (13:36) 1968 Groep 1850 "Agemo's trip to mother earth"

1983... A Merman I Should Turn To Be (13:46) 1968 The Jimi Hendrix Experience “Electric Ladyland”

Voodoo Child (15:05) 1968 The Jimi Hendrix Experience “Electric Ladyland”

Soul Sacrifice (14:30) recorded 1968/ released 1997 Santana “Live at the Fillmore 1968”

Freeway (30:15) recorded 1968/ released 1997 Santana “Live at the Fillmore 1968”
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what about Iron Butterfly's In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida  ?
May 1968 as opposed to Sept for Procul
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Points: 13382 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 07:41
Originally posted by wjohnd wjohnd wrote:

what about Iron Butterfly's In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida  ?
May 1968 as opposed to Sept for Procul

Well, a long jam definitely.  
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Originally posted by sydbarrett2010 sydbarrett2010 wrote:

i Believe the first TRUE epic was Lizard by king crimson

ditto
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Points: 327 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 13:32
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by wjohnd wjohnd wrote:

what about Iron Butterfly's In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida  ?
May 1968 as opposed to Sept for Procul

Well, a long jam definitely.  
fair call..
though now i feel like listening to the allman bros, live at filmore east. now they could jam :)
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Points: 1303 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2011 at 14:18
There were a lot of live jams, but I don't think those should count. 
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Points: 2755 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2011 at 18:24
In Days of Future Passed should be counted as one work.
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