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Please tell me, why the hell did you have to bring this old crap up? 

The Miracle wrote:  We can really judge complexity and quality of punk music, since we are used to more complicated, nearly classical music.

You can judge the complexity, certainly (although a punk group like Faraquet or The Mars Volta are in some ways more complex than a prog group like Floyd, Camel, or even Marillion). If you don't like punk simply because it's punk there's no way you can possibly judge its quality as punk. If you're looking at it in prog's terms, then sure it's going to be crap, and you won't understand its appeal. The reverse is true for those that don't understand prog's appeal from a punk (or pop, or classical) perspective

The Miracle wrote: They can't judje prog simply because they don't understand it. You're not trying to judje the classical music you don't understand, right?

If by understand you're meaning like, then no. I don't enjoy Mozart music, but he knew how to write classical music - often formulaic but with his own twists and trademarks. But equally the Sex Pistols knew how to write punk music. It's not high art, but it isn't claiming to be.

The Miracle wrote: They think they are superior and don't want to listen to anyone else.

As are some people who listen to prog, some people who listen to classical music, some people who listen to avant-garde. Probably more so.

The Miracle wrote: Nu metal is a ridiculous blend of thrash, speed, punk, rap, deth vocals, and i dont know what else... it sound noisy and absolutely unlistenable(to me), however well its played.

I've yet to hear nu metal with thrash or speed influences, or with death vocals. True enough there is plenty of generic rubbish, but groups that take a different slant (I'm not too familiar, but SOAD do some inventive stuff) can be interesting. Also if you look at groups that influenced nu metal's development, like Mr. Bungle and Faith No More, there's some crazy stuff going down there.

The Miracle wrote: They are ignorant people who bash something they don't understand. They can easily catch the cheap emotion in four minutes of Bouleward of Broken Dreams, but they can not, or most likely don't want to get into more complex music. I don't understand some classical music, but i dont walk around saying "Beethoven is s**t". A part of punk spirit is that they think they are on top of the universe and everything that doesnt go along with their opinions doesn't have the right to exist. Does a punk with his rainbow colored spiked hair, clownlike makeup and baggy, ripped up clothes look any better than Peter Gabriel?

Well what's the difference between them not understanding prog and you not understanding punk? Just because something's simpler doesn't mean it's easier to understand... different things please different people.

Interests: prog rock, hard rock, heavy/prog/speed/power/ metal, HATE all punk, rap, and nu/rap metal.

Are you saying that you hate those musical styles no matter how well they're done? Isn't that ignorant bashing?

The Minstrel wrote: The Miracle wrote: I am planning to hatemail the a$$hole that wrote this article. Here you all can leave what you want to appear in that letter. Try to make it as offensive and hateful as you can. Note: please do not write any criticism or other nonrelated stuff. Only write what you want to appear in the letter or dont write anything at all. If you want to hatemail him/her/it yourself, go ahead: [email protected]    You may not agree with his opinions and they may in fact be rather biased, but seriously who cares?  You know, why don't we just email everyone on the whole internet who doesn't share the same opinion that we do?  Would it really make a difference telling this punk fan that his article sucked?  Is the article even causing harm in the first place (it wasn't promoting racism or violence)? Did the writer of this article even do anything wrong (he simply said what he thought)?  Will this hatemaill accomplish anything?  Answer these questions and if you still want to email him/her, by all means go ahead.

I just wanted to piss them off like they did to us. That article offended me more than anything else in years.

They are ignorant people who bash something they don't understand. They can easily catch the cheap emotion in four minutes of Bouleward of Broken Dreams, but they can not, or most likely don't want to get into more complex music. I don't understand some classical music, but i dont walk around saying "Beethoven is s**t". A part of punk spirit is that they think they are on top of the universe and everything that doesnt go along with their opinions doesn't have the right to exist. Does a punk with his rainbow colored spiked hair, clownlike makeup and baggy, ripped up clothes look any better than Peter Gabriel?

Whatever, i'll just leave them alone. Hopefully on day they realisehow wrong they are.

Arsillus wrote: Instead, how about you make an anti-punk article/website like he did for prog? That would be much more productive.

not a bad idea...i could help, and like i said, i like punk....but fair is fair.

    This punk loving author has a problem . He actually likes/admires prog but can't reconcile it with himself. He is like the minister who gets up in the pulpit and preaches about morality and then is later found to have a cache of porn on his computer. Clearly the punk is not unintelligent (although his logic is woeful)

he has an image of himself about how he should be but he doesn't measure up. He thinks he should only like rebellious, unsophisticated, aggressive three chord music that rails against the system but he likes more than that.

Even some of his "heroes" have badly let him down. Alice Cooper is a republican practising Chritian and Suzi Q has also said that Catholicism is essential to her. Bowie says that admitting he was bisexual was the worst mistake he ever made , Mick Jagger loved getting his knighthood and Mclaren is just a typical businessman.

So to deal with his disappointments and insecurities he needs therapy not invective

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