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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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Ouch. I did just find out that Firefox's find function is useful in finding plagiarized reviews. I agree that his ratings are completely illogical, I was just mentioning the fact that E-Re's ratings are probably skewed anyway, but the plagiarized reviews, now that is on a whole different level. On the Renaissance review he gives it 5*, but the review he plagiarized gave it only two.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38611 |
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Well-spotted, but he actually has two reviews and both are plagiarised. His Misplaced Childhood review is plagiarised from a review by King By-Tor (look in body of the KBT review) as well as the Renaissance review he plagiarised from Joolz.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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LiquidEternity ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 07 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 900 |
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No, serious problem with this guy. I checked out his only review: http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=184043
and directly to the left of it on the album page... http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=73525 That's direct plagiarism. He only wrote one review, and he didn't even write it at that. |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 38611 |
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If I were to take the music on its own I would give it a five (and for my enjoyment), but I could understand someone rating it lower because it's a) just not to their taste and b) it's rehashing music that's already been released. Like many, I was familiar with the music from live performances, even if this is rather different, and it refers back to music released on much earlier albums. It's not really innovative, but I love the execution and it does have good twists. In some ways I could see Magma fanboys being harder on it. I think it's a really lovely album, and has great groove. A very accomplished, and well-nuanced production. Some will complain it's too much more of the same old, same old.
In Nemec's case, I'm sure it's different. He'd probably give every Magma album a one if he heard them. Anyway, an unreliable rater -- one of those who would be prone to rate his favourite bands' albums all five and all ones that he isn't a fan of one. It's interesting to see how he gave Selling England a one while the Genesis influneced band Marillion he gave all five ratings (though the Genesis influence is not strong in most of those I expect, especially the Hogarth era). He can go against the grain if he likes by giving Hybris a one, Los Jaivas' album a one, and Trisector, and all those Pink Floyd albums a one, but I certainly wouldn't defer to his musical opinions. See his ratings: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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To be fair, the last rated album (E-Re), has 13 5* and his 1* rating. However, if the album is really that good I don't know why someone would think it is only worth one star. Note: I know that the ratings are partially due to some fanboyism, but still, after being rated so highly you would expect people to see something good in it. |
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Marty McFly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
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Good thing that ratings have weight just 1, reviews are 5 times stronger. Mighty (flexing, flexing) It looks suspicious, agreed. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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Kotro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
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Err, didn't know where else to put this. I know there is no account for taste, and you should rate albums however you like, but this still looks suspicious:
Talk about failure to find a middle ground...
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Bigger on the inside.
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Diaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 15 2007 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 774 |
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^wtf? I've always thought Colombia was a US state (I don't know, why), and Columbia a country...sorry, guys
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yeah
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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ColumbiaFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaColumbia (name) is a poetic name for America (in the sense of "European colonies in the New World") and the feminine personification of the United States of America; it has inspired the names of many persons, places, objects, institutions, and companies. also see: Colony of British Columbia ![]() |
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What?
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Diaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 15 2007 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 774 |
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If you don't joke, it's a South-American country, which has borders with Panama, Ecuador, Venezuela and Brazil (I hope I'm fully right).
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yeah
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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What country is Columbia??
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Mr ProgFreak ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
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Of course there's a definitive pattern here. The perfect solution would be if the admins inspected the accounts on a regular basis and marked spam accordingly. Of course you can simply delete them, but then the spammers would simply try again. Rather than that ... let them submit their ratings and think that they have an effect.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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How many fans does Pink Floyd have in Columbia? (the country not the record label)
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What?
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17534 |
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Excellant work and it reiterates the need for "weighted" ratings based on status with the site and whether "rating only" or review included.
I hope these accounts, if deemed manipulation by Admin, will be swiftly deleted. I can't believe some people have nothing better to do with their lives than worry about the placement of albums in a list. Edited by Finnforest - May 05 2009 at 14:35 |
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andrea ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 2081 |
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Some other attempts to manipulate the top 100 by fanboys? http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23964 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23945 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23928 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23162 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23015 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23000 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=22956 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=22709 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=22649 |
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brainiak ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: June 28 2008 Location: silesia Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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there's clearly a case of an angry pink floyd fan. IMO there should be two different rankings: one that only counts ratings with reviews and second that counts both ratings with and with out reviews. that would minimize all the mess that such a manipulations might cause. |
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russellk ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 28 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 782 |
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Still going
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23877 http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23859 Join, post their one-star and five-star reviews, slope off and are never seen again. |
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Soul Dreamer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 17 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 997 |
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Well, you know better than me...maybe it's an organized action of the Columbian PF fanclub?
![]() It is surely curious how well loved PF is by all these users...And especially curious how Phaedra of Tangerine Dream turns in 5* many times... |
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To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica)
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Three of them share two common IP addresses - reasonings behind my suspicion of others is slightly deeper in that they all share the same ISP and their activities never interleave but reveal a distinct chronological pattern,.. as I say - it is a suspicion and I cannot prove it emphatically.
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What?
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Soul Dreamer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 17 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 997 |
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Looking at those review listings, I think you have a strong case for users 23470 and 23758, they are probably the same culprit as the one I started the thread about. The rest is not as clear-cut, since they also rate some 2,3 and 4*.
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To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica)
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