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    Posted: April 04 2006 at 06:28

Hello fellow progheads.

Early 2004 I started to write for Prog Archives, first with biographies and then reviews. Two years later I notice that the last half year Prog Archives is flooded with reviews about many different progrock styles but very few about new symphonic rock  . As a symphonic rock specialist I am very concerned about his development. I just checked the number of reviews about Italian Ubi Maoir and La Maschera Di Cera, USA Salem Hill, Skandinavian Flagship, Canadian Red Sand, Japanese Interpose, French Nemo, UK Willowglass and Spanish Senogul, if you compare that with the attention for prog metal bands, the symphonic rock dinosaurs from The Seventies and bands like The Beatles and Queen, it is very poor  ..!

What is your opinion about my statement that the new symphonic rock bands got too little attention? And what could be the reasons?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 06:46
I think it's because new symphonic rock bands are lesser known than legends of the 70s and prog metal bands (popular among younger listeners).
Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 07:07

I agree that these bands do get less atention than others, and it is too bad since there are very good bands in this genre. I have no idea why, since I do not ignore them at all. In another thread called I Recommend...  I already recommended Interpose, Overhead, Moon Safari, Amagrama etc. and Someone else recommended IZZ and I will recommend there Salem Hill, and a Maschera Di Cera, Red Sand  and Nemo. I don't write reviews for personal reasons, so I substitute that by this thread.

But more reviews and more threads like this one and the other one I mentioned can help in getting more attention to these bands. I hope this thread will gain the same attention as your Spanish bands thread, Erik. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 07:11
It doesn't surprise me at all. PA has allowed genres like proto-prog and prog-related and thereby shifted the focus from what this site should really be about, pure prog! Start reviewing pure prog again!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 07:35

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

It doesn't surprise me at all. PA has allowed genres like proto-prog and prog-related and thereby shifted the focus from what this site should really be about, pure prog! Start reviewing pure prog again!

That's exactly what I meant, when I mentionned loosing interest in the site, during discussions which took place here immediately after inclusion of Beatles in PA. After about a month erik is rightfully asking "why?", - well, because...

This is what was bound to happen when site is growing rapidly in all directions instead of digging in deeper into purely progressive music.

And, definitely, starting of topics like this one will be of great help in further investigation of beauty of Prog. Well done, erik.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 07:57
OK, thanks, progheads, this is a very promising start  ...!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 08:00
I would agree with you Erik, bands such as Salem Hill, Glass Hammer and IZZ certainly deserve more attention as they are making the best prog music around (imo). I don't know why they don't get this attention, although I've not heard much of the other bands you've mentioned (in fact I've not even heard of 5 of the bands you listed), we'll just have to do what we can to spread the word.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 08:09

More broadth can sometimes mean less depth.

And I think, Erik, that you probably know more about these new bands than most people on this site. So keep on going with the good work of getting people's attention to new great symphonic prog!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 08:32
Symphonic prog rules in my book.  I guess I need to get off my but and write some reviews for bands like La Maschera Di Cera and Ubi Maoir, whom I love.  It's partly my fault for not taking the time to review them.  There's some excellent new symphonic prog out there, ecspecially from Italy.  Lets get off our buts and give them the support they deserve!  Another good sympho band is White Willow from Norway!    Spread the word and good job Erik!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 08:58
I sampled some IZZ on this site after hearing great things about them, and then immediately ordered an album.  Really, really great stuff.  I'd certainly be interested in learning about other bands that are of a similar caliber.  Keep up the good work Erik!  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 11:10
That's the spirit  , progheads but I am astonished that this thread has more than 150 visitors and not even 10 reactions, are our opinions on holiday  ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 11:15

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

It doesn't surprise me at all. PA has allowed genres like proto-prog and prog-related and thereby shifted the focus from what this site should really be about, pure prog! Start reviewing pure prog again!

I don't think anything will change if proto-prog and prog-related will be deleted.

People (at least, most of them) don't know new symphonic bands, therefore they don't write reviews.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 11:26

I don't think it's necessarily an ignorance of the genre. The bands you have highlighted Erik are relatively obscure, especially when compared to the Beatles and Queen. The simple fact is that most people, regardless of their taste in music, will be familiar with the music of Queen and the Beatles etc.

I suspect the majority of people on this site will not have heard the music of bands such as Overhead, Moon Safari, Amagrama etc and thus will not post reviews of their albums. The dichotomy for them is, should I buy an album I have not heard, and risk not liking it?

That is where people such as yourself are such an asset to the site. You are able through your well written reviews and wide knowledge of your subject, to guide people towards music they do not know, but might well enjoy.

It is unfortunate that you will never receive the feedback you (and your peers on the site) should perhaps get from all the people who have expanded their awareness of prog as a direct result of your efforts. I am 100% certain though, that many are indebted to you.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 11:37

Certainly a lot of these bands would fit the format of classic rock stations that play Floyd and Tull etc, but you never hear them. Then again, their listeners would probably complain if such a tune was played because they want to hear "Money" or "Aqualung" for the ten millionth time.

A lot would fit on even PBS or other similar stations where jazz and classical is played , but the attitude is that rock can't be such musically intricate or complex as progressive rock is.

Such bands could help themselves by allowing some of their songs to be played as MP3s on PA. Some do, some don't.

At least attention is being given to them in this forum.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 12:22

I am sure that if there was not the MP3 invention the new symphonic rock bands would have had it even more difficult, then only a few die-hard progheads knew something about this scene.

By the way, thank you all for your kind words, very encouraging  !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 13:12

I have to confess I didn't own many new progrock records.

The most relevant I own is something of Nuova Era but they disbanded over 10 years ago, so you couldn't say they are so new! Their albums are great, BTW, especially Il Passo del Soldato!

 

My next-to-buy-list is huge and I've ordered cd of Mangala Vallis and La Maschera di Cera.

BTW, I think it's extremely difficult to start to listen to modern prog bands if you don't even know  the old ones!

I started to know the new only after known the old!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 13:20
I think new fans are fascinated with the introductiory bands (mostly prog metal) as their first contact with prog and are rather occupied with collecting their favorite band's discography and finding similar bands than to take a more broader look at prog genre from the beginnings till now. What a pitty.

Maybe a good thing to do (as I've seen on another site) would be to add two special sections - featured review/hint/cue of the month and also a featured old (classic) album (not necessarily sympho)!  Nothing fancy - just 2 pictures and links to PA album page!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 14:01

Andrea, when I open my next thread you have bought Mangala Vallis and La Maschera Di Cera, OK  ?

I totally agree Terramystic (I hope the PA team read your proposal about two special sections), I have also the idea that many young progheads are too much focussed on progmetal and similar music instead of trying to explore the more unknown world of progressive/symphonic rock. Indeed, what a pity  ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 14:05

For those who want a taste of this new symph prog that Erik is speaking of, here is his thread about this with his recommendations of bands from several countries:

How about this new prog rock?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 04 2006 at 14:07
Some of the bands Erik mentioned have streams on his site. Especially Willowglass sounded very good,
reminiscent of Antony Phillips and Steve Hackett.

It's a good threat this, i thought that besides TFK and Neal Morse only Glasshammer, Wobbler,
Echolyn and Mangrove made symphonic prog in these days and the rest had gone metal.
(exaggerating a bit here of course).

A few days ago i heard Par Lindh project and Chaos code on Aural Moon. Sounded very good. Don't know if these formations are still active.
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