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    Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:11

Hey guys, I've been reading a lot of reviews on this site and a lot of CD's are getting 4 and 5 stars that have female vocalists, german vocals, italian vocals, Spanish vocals etc...

I sincerely wish I could be that accepting and get beyond it but I really seem to need my Prog sung in english. No matter how good the music is, as soon as the non english vocals come in it drops the whole vibe for me. Perhaps I haven't heard the right stuff? How do you guys feel about it? Do you actually seek out foreign vocals or do you just endure it in order to have good music?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:14
Hummmm... "English" is foreign for me... what about "non-English"?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:17
Well, perhaps I'm not the right person to ask... Even though I don't like Italians who sing in English if they have a thick accent, I do think you speakers of English should try to be a bit more open-minded. I don't mean to sound judgmental or even confrontational, but as a speaker of five languages, and one who has met people from all over the world throughout her life, this attitude (though I am quite sure it is not conscious) smacks just a little bit of chauvinism. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:19
Originally posted by profanatio profanatio wrote:


Hey guys, I've been reading a lot of reviews on this site and a lot of CD's are getting 4 and 5 stars that have female vocalists, german vocals, italian vocals, Spanish vocals etc...

I sincerely wish I could be that accepting and get beyond it but I really seem to need my Prog sung in english. No matter how good the music is, as soon as the non english vocals come in it drops the whole vibe for me. Perhaps I haven't heard the right stuff? How do you guys feel about it? Do you actually seek out foreign vocals or do you just endure it in order to have good music?
 
The level of ignorance evident in this post is just appaling. Have you even noticed that a sizeable percentage of the posters on this site are not from the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland or Australia? Given the demographics of the site, one would think that by "foreign" you mean "alien" as in from another planet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:20
Why did you include women? Is it because they are from Venus?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:22
Originally posted by ES335 ES335 wrote:

 
The level of ignorance evident in this post is just appaling. Have you even noticed that a sizeable percentage of the posters on this site are not from the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland or Australia? Given the demographics of the site, one would think that by "foreign" you mean "alien" as in from another planet.


Well, this is how us foreigners are called by the US authorities when we seek to immigrate there... The spouse of a US citizen is called an 'alien relative'.... Which means that, in a way, we really are from another planet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:24
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Hummmm... "English" is foreign for me... what about "non-English"?


English is foreign to me too..

I was educated in the south.... *cymbal crash*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:28
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by ES335 ES335 wrote:

 
The level of ignorance evident in this post is just appaling. Have you even noticed that a sizeable percentage of the posters on this site are not from the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland or Australia? Given the demographics of the site, one would think that by "foreign" you mean "alien" as in from another planet.


Well, this is how us foreigners are called by the US authorities when we seek to immigrate there... The spouse of a US citizen is called an 'alien relative'.... Which means that, in a way, we really are from another planet.
 
That's why I defined alien as from another planet. Here in the US we called illegal immigrants illegal aliens (I can't remeber if it is 80's Genesis or solo Phil Collins with the song of that title) so I extended the definition to avoid confusion.
 
Why would you want to move here? I've been to Italy, it's better in almost every way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:30
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Hummmm... "English" is foreign for me... what about "non-English"?


Seconded (and Tongue to Micky - cymbal crashes are so unprog Big%20smile).

On topic: in general, vocals to me are just part of the music - of the melodic mix. I hardly ever listen to the lyrics in prog (unless I have the lyric sheet available) - which is probably a shame for all the great symbolism and the story behind epics, but it's the way it works for me.

Two exceptions: first,  I get annoyed by singers who clearly have not mastered English language and still try to sing in it. Second, Premiata Forneria Marconi should never have re-released their early works in English on Photos of Ghosts - it simply didn't work out.

Still - I see your point here, and it's food for a good discussion. Keep it coming!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:30
Originally posted by ES335 ES335 wrote:

 
That's why I defined alien as from another planet. Here in the US we called illegal immigrants illegal aliens (I can't remeber if it is 80's Genesis or solo Phil Collins with the song of that title) so I extended the definition to avoid confusion.
 
Why would you want to move here? I've been to Italy, it's better in almost every way.


Life in Italy is not good as it seems from outside - and then, I have a reason called love. You're new here, so you are forgiven for not knowingWink... I suppose my other half is going to post here quite soon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:30
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I was educated in the south.... *cymbal crash*

I believe that's a contradiction. LOL




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:30
Originally posted by profanatio profanatio wrote:


Hey guys, I've been reading a lot of reviews on this site and a lot of CD's are getting 4 and 5 stars that have female vocalists, german vocals, italian vocals, Spanish vocals etc...

I sincerely wish I could be that accepting and get beyond it but I really seem to need my Prog sung in english. No matter how good the music is, as soon as the non english vocals come in it drops the whole vibe for me. Perhaps I haven't heard the right stuff? How do you guys feel about it? Do you actually seek out foreign vocals or do you just endure it in order to have good music?


I don't suppose you've read any of my reviews... for the foreign language lyrics...  I just treat the vocals as another instrument... as many english speaking groups could be as well.  Jon Anderson's.. even Geddy's singing is ESSENTIAL to the music.  Could give a sh*t about what kind of mumbo jumbo Yes were singing about .. or the crappy sci-fi sh*t Rush did.  It is all about the music.. . if I want to know what they are singing about.. I'll get someone to translate it for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:33
Originally posted by ES335 ES335 wrote:

The level of ignorance evident in this post is just appaling. Have you even noticed that a sizeable percentage of the posters on this site are not from the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland or Australia? Given the demographics of the site, one would think that by "foreign" you mean "alien" as in from another planet.


That goes for yours as well - I'm sorry to say. Language is a difficult thing and a big issue for some people. It may very well be that the poster did not even recognise the flaw in the thread title when posting. There are other ways and words to get your message across here, Mr. ES335....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:33
I actually prefer Kobaian vocalists to English ones.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:34
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

I actually prefer Kobaian vocalists to English ones.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:36
Whats the language sigur ros sing in? Cause it rocks! French vocals arent bad either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:39
Personally, I am not big on lyrics. Thus, I really don't care what language the singer sings in, though I am partial to whatever the vocalists native tongue is. For instance, PFM.  The vocals sound natural and full when sung in Italian. On their English sung songs, they sound thin, silly and cartoonish.  When it comes to singing in English as a second language, I think the Swedish and German do it the best.  But, again, I am partial to native tongues.
 
I particularly like the vocals used on the first 2 Bondage Fruit albums, which are sung with no words at all.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:40
I often wish I knew Italian so I could understand my PFM and Banco records, but the vocals on both are so sublime I doubt I'd ever focus on the lyrics even if I knew them. I don't understand the words in opera, but I'm always up for beautiful singing. I don't see how it could ruin the whole thing for you, unless you don't like the singer's voice.




Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

even Geddy's singing is ESSENTIAL to the music.

What's this? A kind word for Rush. Oh dear, she's broken him.


Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

or the crappy sci-fi sh*t Rush did.

Well, not quite. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:40
Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Whats the language sigur ros sing in? Cause it rocks! French vocals arent bad either.


As far as I know, they sing in their native language, Icelandic.

@Rileydog: only one answer to that statement Da Zeuhl Wortz Mekanīk!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2007 at 16:43
I guess you don't like opera then, since Italian or German may be a problem. While English is definitely the preferred form for Rock , the main point of prog is to be open-minded.I remember seeing Gentle Giant in Montreal playing to 4,000 fans , the majority speaking only French? Gentle Giant.......hmmmm . I am fortunate to have learned 7 languages very young , so I have no problem with Ange, Novalis, East, Cast, Via Lumini , Tantra etc... It's better to have them sing in their native language than having to suffer through thickly accented (hence wildly distorted) English, nicht war?
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