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AZF ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 17 2012 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 1079 |
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And the Dutch and the Czech Republic are also considering a referendum as a prelude to their exit.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/646796/Dutch-voters-in-out-EU-referendum-Brexit-contagion-fears-Brussels-Jean-Claude-Juncker With Britons due to decide on June 23 whether to exit the EU or remain tied to Brussels, there are growing signs other voters across the continent are craving their own chance to leave the crisis-stricken union. In a new opinion poll in the Netherlands, a majority of voters said they backed the country having its own in/out referendum on EU membership, similar to the UK vote. And Czech Republic prime minister Bohuslav Sobotka has warned if Britons do decide to leave the EU, a ‘Czexit’ could follow. RELATED ARTICLESIn the Dutch poll, more than half (53 per cent) supported an in/out vote with 44 per cent opposed and four per cent unsure. In the survey, conducted by pollster and entrepreneur Maurice de Hond, voters were also asked how they would vote in such an in/out referendum. Only slightly more (44 per cent) wanted to remain in the EU than those who said they would opt to leave the bloc (43 per cent), while 13 per cent said they ‘didn’t know’. Interestingly, more Dutch voters (48 per cent) said they didn’t want Britain to exit the EU this summer than wanted their own country to stay in the bloc. |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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It's not a liberal vs conservative issue IMO. Historicaly the left were the Eurosceptics and the tory right wanted in.
There is a lot of misleading and contradictory information coming out of both the in and out camps. There is no impartial information on the subject. For every 'business leader' who says we must stay in, there are equal numbers who say we shoud leave. I may not vote in the referendum, as I, like everyone else is not armed with adequate information to make an informed and non politcally motivated choice. I had been strongly in the OUT camp, but now I'm not sure, probably because I'm falling for the most effectve weapon that the IN brigade have in the armoury, and that is the masses fear of the unknown and inclination to go with the 'devil you know' I think when it comes to the vote we'll be staying in, even if the vote is very close. |
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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Britain out, Ethiopia in.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20735 |
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Sometimes, I'm really close to wishing England would leave (and we'd take Scotland after a second independance referendum, which will no doubt happen since the Scots are very-much Pro-Europe)... Good friggin' riddance to those Albionites
![]() Ever since England has been in the EC, they've done everything to stop Europe from functionning correctly, by always vetoing (One of Europe's weak point is that it needed unanimity, which was doable with the original 6, but at 28....) almost everything. I'm totally against the Cameron blackmail and the special deal that he extorted from Europe. They only want the advantages of Europe (which they systematically ignore to expose in public - to fit their hidden agenda), but none of the inconveniances (which are not nearly as many as Farage says). Is it any surprise that England is not part of the €-zone and Shengen-system?? Not at all, really!!! They're not interested in making Europe work, only creating havoc. With a perfidious friend like The City, doing everything it can to drown the Euro (€) zone, who needs ennemies? Just look how England is making it tough on everyone, and not caring about the nuisance they create to their direct neighbours... Calais and the so-called jungle: why do all these refugees and migrants want to cross the chunnel? Because of a few idiotic and huge gaps in their laws. Create obligatory ID cards, change the rules about asylum and non-expulsion rules and social help, and 99% of those refugees and migrants will suddendly lose all interest in the UK... Easy enough a solution, but the tories and their claim to medieval traditions won't budge. So it's their bloody mess out there in Calais!! And then they blame the rest of Europe for their own inadequaties. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() anyway, enough for tonight ![]() ![]() Edited by Sean Trane - February 27 2016 at 02:10 |
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13913 |
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Really? Why? I have not finally made my mind up yet. I must say, though, that the "debate" and, especially, the stance of the stay in camp, leaves me absolutely cold. The scare and fear tactics utilised have shown politics in this country at their very worst. I would not be a bit surprised if our esteemed Secretary of State for Heath issued a warning in coming weeks that voting to leave the EU increases your chances of getting cancer by at least 75% ![]() I am not Welsh by birth, but have lived here for over 16 years. I have been a member of Plaid Cymru, the Welsh Nationalists, for a few years now, and am one of the rare people in the party who tend towards a Eurosceptic stance. Actually, the party's position on Europe does not make much sense intellectually. It strikes me as being rather strange to object to an unaccountable, bureaucratic, distant government ruling us from Whitehall (I agree), but then, in the same breath, to want to be ruled from an even more unaccountable, bureaucratic, and distant government in Brussels. Utter nonsense, really, and an issue which may well tip me into leaving the party. The EU, as with most centralised monsters, is in an utter mess. Is UK government any better? Nope. Full of incompetent morons who seem to have very little sense of how to adapt to a rather scary world, and who seem hellbent themselves on creating a centralised state which the likes of Foot and Benn could only really dream of. As I commented in the US election thread, there is a very real and understandable attitude amongst ordinary people that government is not delivering and working for them. This is extremely important, and a growing sense of discontent might, I hope, lead to real change. My grandmother was Maltese, and I qualify for a passport there. We go there on holiday annually, so I am, in fact, very well disposed towards the continent. I am also extremely mindful of the fact that this experiment commenced with a very real and positive wish to put the horrors of two world wars and genocidal acts behind us, and, in that sense, it has been a roaring success. It is, though, utterly in hock to global corporations. It is shockingly run, and disgracefully unaccountable. It is a centralised monstrosity delivering bugger all to the majority of people living in it, with economic, political, and social issues really not giving anyone a sense that it can be turned around. I certainly do not see any real will to change - witness the pathetic reception Cameron received with that renegotiation which was, in all reality, an utter piss take, both of him, and us. I suspect that the British people will, in the end, vote to remain, to keep both the status quo, and because of the ridiculous scaremongering going on. It will not, though, be with anything approaching enthusiasm, and the time when the impact of political drift comes knocking on our doors will not, I fear, be a pleasant one. So. Mad to think about leaving? No, not at all. In fact, it is perfectly rational. |
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someone_else ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24890 |
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Definitely YES! And so should the Netherlands. And those other 26 countries. Rather today than tomorrow, before it's too late.
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Jared ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20836 |
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We'd be absolutely mad to consider leaving...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Matthew _Gill ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 07 2012 Location: Wakefield Status: Offline Points: 347 |
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I've just made this poll - http://www.ranker.com/list/should-britain-leave-the-eu-/matthewgill and voting so far points strongly to people wanting Britain out of the European Union.
I wonder how people will vote on Progarchives given the strong Liberal demographic?
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