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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12901 |
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^ I don't have so much of a problem if the parts are played faithfully live... though indeed I might have less incentive to like it better. Yet with Genesis they may not go wild improvising and jamming, still I often find they play just a bit heavier and stronger, Collins in particular I like better in the live versions, and even Gabriel. I have never been much of a fan of Grabriel's vocals and his theatrics, but I feel while singing live he has to concentrate more in singing and tones down the theatrics (singing wise, I mean, I know his visual theatrics on stage were another thing).
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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take for example the live version of "Supper's Ready" from "Seconds Out". during the "Apocalypse in 9/8" section you could go really wild on the keyboards and improvise like hell while quoting key passages from the studio solo. but Banks plays the studio solo note for note. how boring! that's what I call "noodling"
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^Agreed, which is why I don't understand how he can top Emerson in a keyboard poll here on PA. I think I read or heard that he actually considers himself to be more of a 'fill' player than a lead.
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I'm not a fan of Genesis live albums. I have a problem with Tony Banks. he is in my opinion really disappointing live
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1) Live ( which I wish it were a double LP)
The 2 gigs which gave birth to Genesis Live were Free Trade Hall in Manchester 2/24/73 and De Montford Hall Leicester 2/25/73. The set lists : Watcher/Musical box/Get'em/Supper/Hogweed/Knife 2) Seconds Out ( for its galactical 2nd CD) |
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My personal ranking of all Genesis albums starts with (1) Live (2) Seconds Out. When I got Live, by the way, I had no idea that Supper's Ready was part of the set and somehow missing, so it was never a reason to complain. It's a mightily good album as it is. I don't normally complain about an album that I like that it's not a double album.
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Yes. Well Three Sides Live anyway. It's a pretty damn good live album. Is it better than the first two lives albums? I would say no because the songs represented on those earlier live albums are just too good but I can still see some voting for it
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Seconds Out
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For me, there are many songs I love much better live. Steve Hackett and Phil Collins are on fire live, and give an extra punch to the songs. And in the case of Gabriel, I find him less annoying live than on studio. |
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It has to be Genesis Live for me, the second album I ever bought and my first prog album. Shame it doesn't have Supper's Ready on it but it was a budget release (£1.99 if I remember rightly) so they couldn't make it a double album. Still brilliant though.
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I’m usually a sucker for a great live album and oftentimes prefer live takes over studio ones…but I never reach for any of the live albums by Genesis that I own. I’d rather listen to the studio albums.
Maybe I should remedy that. As of yet I have no real vote. |
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You mean John Hackett was there to help filling in flute when Steve Hackett was auditioning for Genesis, or John Hackett auditioned to fill Peter Gabriel's flute parts when he left? |
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Spot on! I did get to see them in 77, 78 and 87 but I really wished I had seen them this time around.
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Seconds Out.
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If Genesis had called it quits then, then I would never have gotten to see them, and I imagine many others as well, so I for one am extremely thankful for everything up through the last tour. Even if I don't love all of it, even if it's not quite up to the level of their early years, it's still one of the greatest bands ever continuing to do what they're so great at. Nothing to complain about keeping on keeping on.
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I'll argue for Seconds Out. It may not have Peter on it, but Steve is still there and Phil is killing it all the way through. Has tons of their best stuff, including a full live Supper's Ready, which is just phenomenal. Plus Afterglow hits so much harder live than it does on the album.
Live is also great, though not having Supper's Ready even though it was part of the set seems like a misstep, and the production is a bit on the rough side. Peter is wonderful of course, and the energy in those performances is electric. Three Sides Live is also great if you care for pop Genesis at all. Phil was killing it on Seconds Out, but he hadn't yet fully found his voice on that album. Three Sides Live sees Phil at possibly his peak vocal performance. There's not a missed opportunity for him to impress. The band is super tight as well, being now closer to a power trio than ever (although not technically being one, but feeling more like one). And if you only care for prog Genesis, I defy you to say anything bad about the medley on side 3. Possibly the best single cut from any of these live albums. Haven't really checked out the others. I did see the Last Domino tour a few months ago, and I loved it. Domino in particular really stood out to me, but the band was hot all night, and Phil sounded great.
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Has to be Live - it is just so atmospheric and authentic.
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' Live' is a fantastic taste of the band, recorded and mixed with a powerful raw-ness which really showed what they were capable of as a live unit; it is however (as many have already said) an incomplete recording which could have been so, so much more with Suppers ready (as per the proposed double version and the numerous bootlegs) and , say, Twighlight Alehouse.
The Bootleg 'White Mountain' which is from the 'Trick' tour with Bill Bruford on drums is a great document and excellent sound quality. There are lots of very interesting Live Bootlegs from 72-77 of varying sound qualities.. luckily Genesis dont seem to be worried about them being out there.. unlike some bands! Also the Live at Shepperton sound studios 73 (now its been more cleaned up) is as good a document of the band at its peak as any but the Rainbow gig is equally cool.. I went through a phase of finding Seconds Out a bit wishy-washy sound wise; Steve Hackett feels so mixed out that its almost the void that his guitar would occupy that is most noticeable to me. However i have returned to it in recent years (and with a new deck, amp, speakers) and have really enjoyed it and found that perhaps my bias was influenced by comments made at the time that SH's guitar was deliberately mixed down due to him leaving at that time. The 2019 half speed remaster certainly has more colour and oomph in it than my original vinyl versions.
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